Revival of the TR?

[SkunkPunk]

i honestly think all the empires are equal in general, sure there are some aspects where one side wins, but they will get owned in another area. i hate when ppl argue over who has a better empire...

[Heavygain]

I luv the way you think, I refuse to give up on the TR, I will not give up my minichaingun even if the TR get nerfed even more (notlikely)

[BDMJ]

God damn veteran! Please stop whining about the goddamn TR. The game is balanced right now and the people bitching about weapons now could bitch about balance in pong.

Balance threads make baby jesus cry.

[TeraHertz]

Sorry I missed your point. Was it just to say "I'm a traitor, but we TR will never give up." ?

[BadAsh]

Originally Posted by BDMJ

Balance threads make baby jesus cry.

No, they make people who have an unfair advantage cry, because they many now have to actually FIGHT with opponents and EARN BEP and CEP.

Balance is not yet achieved in this game. Until it is, balance threads are valid. The people who loathe them are not people who enjoy a fair fight, they are people who enjoy their position of advantage... who else would oppose an even and fair battlefield?

[scarpas]

Originally Posted by Veteran

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TR, as it stands, have no equipment that stands out as best-in-the-field, except perhaps for the Cycler, and that's but a humble Medium Assault weapon.

It's ok though. As I have stated, TR will fight with claws and fangs if need be, and they will win.

gauss is better, agreed with the claw fang thing.


PS: im tr, LOYALTY UNTIL DEATH!!!

[BabyJesus]

cry

[DeadTeddy]

check the dev tracker, TR population has not dropped and smoke proved it. as for gear, let's just say we all have those little things we're not happy about.
let's see what NC can complain about:
-phoenix, like all AV, sux. thing is you don't know what's going on around you when you use it, so you're an easy target.
-Gauss was supposed to be most accurate, it's half railgun, yet it's less accurate then cycler
-AA max has lock on bugs, renders it useless many times
-seen an enforcer around lately? me neither.

TR isn't lacking anything, if it was the devs would say so. they track every shot fired, every hit, and every kill made by each weapon. if they see a certain weapon fires alot but does little damage compared to others in the same class, they know something is wrong.

the empires are balanced, look at the win stats, everyone has around the same overall.

[BadAsh]

Originally Posted by DeadTeddy

let's see what NC can complain about:
-phoenix, like all AV, sux. thing is you don't know what's going on around you when you use it, so you're an easy target.
-Gauss was supposed to be most accurate, it's half railgun, yet it's less accurate then cycler.

Well, if you don't stand in the open with the Phoenix and play sniper bait you will own with it. Before I certed in the Phoenix VS MAXs would tear me up... not the reverse is true. At a distance in the open they are like free kills and in QCB just switch to dumb fire mode (NOTE: this does not mean YOU can be dumb and stand there you have to shoot and MOVE) and own. The Phoenix is fast moving and accurate in dumb fire mode, you can easily hit what you are aiming at... not true for the Striker... it has a moronic COF even crouching at CQB.

The Gauss owns. The Cycler is good too, but better? That's completely debatable. The Pulsar sucks though and that's the only non-debatable MA out there.

Originally Posted by DeadTeddy

the empires are balanced, look at the win stats, everyone has around the same overall.

The NC average 10% more kills per player than any other empire. That's not exactly even and balanced as some would claim.

[WritheNC]

The only reason the Phoenix is good is because its the TR's and VS's fault.

Ok, before the Facility Benefits came into play, you couldn't fire a phoenix without an infil putting an AMP in your back.

So its all your fault for abandoning infil that the Phoenix is so good.

Considering I can still go on knife runs as an infil(no melee booster implant) with a TR on Markov and knife 5 people(phoenix users and snipers) before I get plastered means the infil isn't as bad as people say.

Just look at the map. If enemy doesn't own an interlink facility, you're good to go.

[EVILoHOMER]

the vanu r the best! i tried nc and never get kills cus of their sh*t noob hammer that u hav to be at point blank to get a kill! the aagun is sooo weak too! the vangaurd u hav to be a gunner to get a kill! plus the armour looks shit apart from the cloaker! which looks amazin. the tr's goggles put me off and how their boring and if u steal their gd weapons u never run outta ammo cus u can get it urself! they seem like they hav no theme! The vanus lancer is amazin against maxes the maxes r amazin and the lasher owns all!! Plus vanu r all shinney soo amazin

[Liteshow]

Originally Posted by DeadTeddy

check the dev tracker, TR population has not dropped and smoke proved it. as for gear, let's just say we all have those little things we're not happy about.
let's see what NC can complain about:
-phoenix, like all AV, sux. thing is you don't know what's going on around you when you use it, so you're an easy target.
-Gauss was supposed to be most accurate, it's half railgun, yet it's less accurate then cycler
-AA max has lock on bugs, renders it useless many times
-seen an enforcer around lately? me neither.

TR isn't lacking anything, if it was the devs would say so. they track every shot fired, every hit, and every kill made by each weapon. if they see a certain weapon fires alot but does little damage compared to others in the same class, they know something is wrong.

the empires are balanced, look at the win stats, everyone has around the same overall.

Win stats aren't everything.

1) All AV sucks. Therefore all AV sucks equally. Phoenix is no better than Lancer or Striker because they all have strengths and weaknesses.

2) 3 shot burst with a Gauss and you won't ever miss. Pulsar needs help.

3) At least the Sparrow does the same amount of damage at any range, of which the same cannot be said of the Burster. And let's not get into the built in deficiencies of the TR MAXes.

4) Have you seen a Marauder around lately? Me neither.

5) The MCG and the Jackhammer may do the about same amount per projectile/pellet/bullet, but the Jackhammer's hit nearly all at once. The same can't be said for the MCG.

6) TR population hovers around 30% on Markov most of the time, while NC populations hover around 35%.

I agree that not everyone is fully happy with their equipment, but if you were, then you'd be killing everything and nobody would be killing you. I think the NC list is shorter than both the TR and the VS lists.

Now back to the original thread...

One thing about the TR is that we won't back down. We like being the underdogs. We will continue to work our asses off and the other night will not be the last night the majority of the global map turns red for you

[SandTrout]

Originally Posted by Veteran

NC have enjoyed unparalleled technological superiority with the Vanguard, Jackhammer, ScatterMAX and Phoenix. They will never know what it's like to 'make due' with their weapons like the TR have had to do.

Veteran, you never back up your arguements, you only state things that are utter crap.

Vangaurd has virtualy no AA capability and lower DPS than the prowler. Not to mention the 1-shot on infantry means more to the prowler because it has higher ROF.

Scattermax can't shoot around corners or have spash damage.

Phoenix has the lowest DPS and slowest projectile of all AV, plus you are unaware of your soroundings when in flight.

I swear veteran, start backing up your statements or I will begin to report you for trolling in the forum.

[worldvengence]

i dont see what everyones problem with the MCG is? I mean before i got the cert. i used to see my squadmates get mowed by JH......but now that i have the cert, i have seen that u can kick any 2 bit NC solider's ass with the MCG regardless if he has a n00bhammer...my only gripe is how much the HA costs....but i guess it is better than having a hell of allot of noobs running around with MCGs and JHs......Scarry.

[DeadTeddy]

liteshow, you posted exactly what I was hoping to see.
1)all AV suck, agreed. I will say though that the nix is more dangerous cause you can't see what's happening around you, but is more fun so it's worth it. why do I see striker posts then?

2)this brings a larger point, learn to use each weapon! just cause it has the same name (MA in this case) doesn't mean it should be used the same. that's why the whole pounder/locking down discussion is idiotic in my opinion, nobody can make such a barricade. want a real life example? the US spent allot on planes while the USSR's approach was AA guns. both are good. this was actually tested in israeli-arab wars cause we get weapons from US and they got from USSR but the end result (us winning) was not because of weaponry, but due to pure skill. we have the best pilots in the world, and that's why we won. that shows more then anything that good fighters don't need good weapons.

3)I agree, 0 does stay 0 no matter the distance. with locking on so fucked up you have a 5% chance of taking down a reaver. by the time you get a lock it's too far for you to track it long enough for a hit.

4)exactly, it's not a problem wit hthe marauder, but with all assault buggies. don't make it a TR issue. I saw 1 thresher in the last 3 weeks.

5)if you expect to kill a JH user at under 3 meters you're crazy, just like expecting to kill an MCG user, or anyone for that matter with a JH at over 2 meters is dreaming. you need to be far enough so he'll die before he runs up to you, shoves it up your... erm, backside, and blows your brain out. learn how to use the MCG right, then come back. there isn't a single JH user with some skill who doesn't carry a backup for longer ranges.

6)I guess I have to bring a link. smoke made 4 or 5 posts in some thread that prove beyond any doubt that TR population is lower, at least not at prime time. check the dev tracker, it's in the same thread.

about the not backing down, underdogs, bla bla comment. no offence, but you just like to think you're underdogs to make yourselves feel better. that 10% number is obviously your estimate or something inaccurate cause you don't have access to the numbers, not to mention the timeframe we care about is the last 2-4 weeks. also, from my experience TR do back down, they run when faced with a zerg. I'm not saying NC don't do it too, we do, just don't give me that crap. if anyone really never gives up it's VS, no matter what, as long as they have a single tower, they're gonna stay and fight. even when you push them off the cont they're back all the time. like roaches.