Tr suck?

GAJ VESTITE · 2004-03-19, 09:14 AM

Is it just me or does anyone else think the tr are soooooo underpowered?
Since the new lasher nerf the nc seem way over powered, with their jack hammer!
All they ever do is tri-fire 1 click of a button instant surge kill u, Maybe the Dev's could switch the tri fire to double fire instead? Also they could change the pounder max bk to ai as its pointless now :oS In real life the splash damage would kill and atm it does no damage!
Also they could decrease mine power on maxes and buff max armour! These days eveyone has a av cert and that owns maxes too much making them worse than troops. When all maxes are, are heavy armoured troops so they should do the same damage to ttroops aswel :oS that makes no sense to me!
The cycler and mcg are pointless too! Lasher just owns everyone tr gun!! The jh can kill me from a distance better than mcg :oS!!!!!!!!!
So basically nerf the jh!

Heavygain · 2004-03-19, 09:28 AM

Im sorry but you are retarded. A, the MCG can own both those weapons if you are skilled. B, the JH is not overpowered, you are just a noob, and C, the only thing that is underpowered about the TR is our tank (which sux real bad)

Krinsath · 2004-03-19, 09:30 AM

It's not underpowered as much as too crew intensive and poorly armored with no speed and a 100m tall profile. Who the hell designed that anyway? Paul Bunyan?

Swap the armor OR speed with the Vanguard and you'll probably see a much more balanced tank around. And do something about that 150% crew requirement.

GAJ VESTITE · 2004-03-19, 09:31 AM

Oh and another thing! Why are people sooo nasty on this website :oS I've posted 3 topics b4 and all of them is just you guys arguing and swearing etc :oS
On every other website threads ppl listen and then give their nice answer. So i'm sorry but this site from people like you is sucky if you can even take things into view, without insulting!

Madcow · 2004-03-19, 09:41 AM

Making threads that are completely biased and not well thought out which also include calls for nerfing of weapons don't normally get received with open arms. Let's go over some of the more blatant issues, shall we?

The jh can kill me from a distance better than mcg :oS!!!!!!!!!

See, that statement right there is just ignorance. If you have an MCG and you're getting killed at distance by a Jackhammer user then you were either on death's door or you terminally suck. No other way to put it. Reading the statement makes it obvious that you haven't spent any real time with either weapon, so why should people listen to your calls to nerf one of them?

Also they could change the pounder max bk to ai as its pointless now :oS

Again, this just shows that you haven't played that much. Every AV MAX is pointless for the most part. It blows, but that's life. There are people on this very forum who are quite fond of the Pounder in it's current incarnation, but you'll have a tough time finding defenders of any of the AV MAXs. The Pounder isn't exclusive to this.

So basically nerf the jh!

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you have 0 characters with an HA cert in the NC. The Jackhammer used to be overpowered, but it's been hit with the nerf stick as much (or more) than any weapon in this game. It's the least certed HA weapon out of all of the empires for a reason. To then ask for a nerf of a weapon that people are flocking to get away from? Really, why does it come as such a surprise to you when people reply to such thoughtless nerf cries with anything less than open arms?

The shame of it is you have an excellent point about MAX armor and how easy they are to take out, but it's hidden in the middle of your ignorant empire bias. Because of that it's almost certain to see no response.

Krinsath · 2004-03-19, 09:52 AM

CDL is a bit short-tempered when people imply things that aren't true...it's the wolf in them.

However, when ideas are presented in a cogent format with valid points, they tend to be well received. I've had two major threads started proposing major changes to the game and they've not had a single insult war start up, as the ideas are presented in a fashion that encourages discussion.

People keep insisting that the TR are underpowered when really they're as balanced as everyone else is. The JackHammer is a very specialized weapon and not terribly useful outside of the circumstances you mention. That is it's trade-off.

The Pounder was one of two things as an AI MAX: completely useless or horribly overpowered, depending on the situation. The DC is a much more balanced approach. ALL the Empire AV MAXes are pointless, that's not a TR-only thing. The splash damage doesn't kill you because there is no weapon that is good against armor AND infantry on a reliable basis. That forces you to use teamwork and tactics instead of picking up the biggest gun you can find. In real-life, the phoenix would be a one-shot kill as a guy getting hit by a TOW missile would disappear in a messy shower of guts. Same can be said of the other AVs, but then everyone would carry AV around and nothing else, making for an insanely boring game.

The MAX is currently a bit weak on survivability, but again, this is a game-wide situation and not unique to the TR. A MAX's armor is done in a manner like vehicles, not infantry. Infantry armor absorbs SOME of the damage and passes the rest to health. A MAX must lose ALL it's armor before it's health starts to be affected.

The Cycler is probably the most evenly balanced weapon in the *game* and the MCG is the most versatile HA and the only one that's really any good at a range of more then 30m (not much, but more than the other two). Hence, neither of them is "pointless".

The Lasher is a nasty weapon *IF YOU GET HIT BY IT*, but assuming that doesn't happen, it is far from a game-breaker. Those orbs are relatively easy to dodge at all but point blank range, and the lashes, while not exactly fun, won't kill you outright either.

If you're losing to JHs at range with a MCG, I suggest you visit VR and improve your burst firing abilities. The CoF bloom on a MCG is large, while the JH has a more steady CoF due to the fact that the pellet spread is already a form of CoF. The bigger that cone, the more shots that are missing.

They weren't trying to be overly mean, but when you post comments that aren't really true as though they're immutable facts, people will be quick to show you the errors of your ways. Take your lumps with a grain of salt and learn.

Also, I recommend play other empires. If you used a JH, you'd see that it really isn't all that great unless you're a Surgile. Even then, unless you're good at warp exploiting, it's not the end-all be-all weapon. JH has been nerfed to the point that the Sweeper is generally more damaging on a shot for shot basis. The Tri-Shot is nasty, but wear Rexo and that's not as much of a problem with the insta-kill.

dscytherulez · 2004-03-19, 10:03 AM

SilverLord · 2004-03-19, 10:50 AM

This is ridiculas and this thread is pointless.

In this community... You have to be respectful and know what your talking about to succed and if you are stupid and start dumb threads, you therefore get no respect.

The TR are the most balanced empire and have been for the longest time and the other empires are fine now that the JH is fixed along with the Lasher.

Originally Posted by Hamma

This thread has run it's course.

teratravp · 2004-03-19, 12:43 PM

No. In fact, since the patch... the empires seem... dare I say... balanced.

I play a LOT a day usually so I can tell you I've easily run into all sorts of battles lately where us TR owned, and as many where the NC or VS owned. It's often about cr's getting more bodies to an area and OMG!!! strategy now. I haven't seen any overpowered weapon that's spoiling things, nor been killed over and over by one type of weapon.

The only thing I would like to see is an exactly equal buff to the assault type weapons in the empires as they are a bit weak and nobody uses them.

oddfish · 2004-03-19, 12:50 PM

Only changes that need implemented NOW in my oppinion are:

Prowler should be faster.. oh yeah.
HA weapons should be tweaked to do a TINY, i'm talking SMAAALLLLL bit more damage.. small. incremental.. eeny-teeeny.. small...
AND, they need to incorporate a better vehicle physics engine.

okay, FUH-LAME my ass now if you wish.