State Of The Union Baby!!!!!!!!!!

[archaic1128]

Lexington,
I don't care if 9-11 happened 5 yrs ago, if it's aftermaths are still effecting our country it is an ISSUE. What you are failing to realize is how devastating 9-11 was in a whole. I am a self employed tradesman who has worked the last 11 yrs building a company to all but lose everything i worked for because of 9-11. Is it an issue, HELL YES! Many small business' are going under or are out of business because of what 9-11 did to the allready slumping economy. Then throw a dose of corporate scams on top of that, and you wonder why our economy is in the shitter? PEOPLE are afraid to spend MONEY, and/or lost their jobs due to CORPORATE downsizing etc, it's a never ending cycle get it? Do you have a solution? No, but hey let's blame Bush, it's all his fault.

Yes, Mr. BJ-Clinton did trade secret documents to the chinese, face the facts pal. Like Koldfusion stated, millions of dollars donated to his campaign. Have you ever heard of the Chinese donating to any other presidents campaign? It's also kinda suspicious as to their sudden missle technology jump, and missing documents ya think? What ever happened to mr. BJ-Clinton's "National Health Care" that he vowed to have implemented? 8 yrs , and not a damn thing. The only thing he managed to do was give HMO's the right to refuse.

Mr. Vicchio, nicely stated.

Koldfusion, I agree with you on the war/economy issue. Alltough i personally think it will do more damage than good, but we can't let Iraq slip out the back door for 12 more years either.

Ohh, wait NAFTA, what a crock of shit that is. In theory it's a good idea, but our corporate owned factories weren't setup to compete w/ third world developing nations either.

[Sol]

Look around. See all the SUVs?

See how low the stockmarket is?

Al Gore had more votes.

The supreme court stopped the recounting.

If you want some more facts watch the movies and read the book... there's more shit about Shrub and fatcats than you can shake a stick at in there.

I'm not going to call you or any other republican a 'whackjob.'
There are respectable democrats and republicans, they're people with different ideas. One is not superior to the other. The respectable ones treat the other side with as much dignity as thier own.

Am I or any other democrat truly a "whackjob?" Are we devoid of all ability to reason? Should we be stifled and ignored?

Thats for you to decide. But there is a right answer.

[archaic1128]

Sol,
I am not a die hard Republican. As a matter of fact i don't consider myself a Republican or Democrat because i don't agree w/ a Republican or Democrat just because of their party. I look at the issues each represent and make my decision based on the info.

However, one thing i do disagree w/ Democrats is the fact they believe in BIG Government. They think the Government knows whats best for us. I'm sorry but the less government interferes w/ my daily decisions the better.

On the other hand, the Republicans generally make the rich- richer and the poor -poorer. Either way you look at it, it's a lose/lose situation, or shall i say which is the lesser of evils.

Both parties need to lose their ego's and start doing what is best for the people who put them there in the first place.

[Mtx]

War is actually a good thing for me. Bad for the rest of the world but good for me.

[Airlift]

Both parties may as well be considered corporations, and we voters are their consumers. While they are selling competing products, it's really the same shit underneath all the marketing speak. It is not about policy or theory of government, it is about who gets the most constituents to buy into what they are selling so they can sit in the seat of power.

That is why things like campaign fincance reform are always promised and never delivered by either party. The politicians who really want campaign reform are the ones who have no hope of being elected without it. The funny thing is that if they really got elected, they would probably be a lot less interested in fixing the process.

I don't know why I'm sounding off in a political debate. I think eMa's religion thread drew me out. But since I've already gone this far, here's the whole hog: The two most ridiculous views political views ever to be uttered in our fine country are (in no particular order):

1. Democrats Good, Republicans Bad
2. Republicans Good, Democrats Bad

[KoldFusion]

Originally posted by archaic1128

Koldfusion, I agree with you on the war/economy issue. Alltough i personally think it will do more damage than good, but we can't let Iraq slip out the back door for 12 more years either.

What I meant was (i guess I didn't state it clearly) was some facets of the economy will flourish. Those of us in the military or in the defense industry have something to do Thanks for the good post

[MrVicchio]

Sol,

Since you obviously don't bother to understand things, I will educate you...

The Supreme court DID NOT STOP THE RECOUNT... The Democrats DID...

WTF?? You say... well here is what happened...

The supreme Court said you cannot do the recount the way you propose, which was to have a different standard in each county. Doing that is unconstitutional. At that point the Dems gave up.

Go learn the facts before you try and quote em.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by MrVicchio
BTW Bush has been cleared of ANY WRONG DOING in his "insider trading" that you speak of, thats old hat, and you needs get a new line.

In the early '90s, Bush was involved in insider trading with the stock of an oil company of which he was an official. He dumped the shares shortly before the firm tanked, then failed to report his activity to the Securities and Exchange Commission for months.

The ensuing investigation was handled by an agency whose director was a Bush Sr. appointee and whose general counsel was Bush the younger's own former attorney.

Is it really a wonder why the charges were dropped?

Maybe Bush was able to beat the system, but that does not mean he did not do anyhting wrong.

[MrVicchio]

Not all Republicans are good, and not all Dems are bad. Its the radicals, and the trators in each party. Sadly, the Dems are enthralled by the FAR left at the moment, and thus are a real Threat to this Country.

2 republicans that I hate and detest:

John McCain and Arlen Spector.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by archaic1128
Yes, Mr. BJ-Clinton did trade secret documents to the chinese, face the facts pal. Like Koldfusion stated, millions of dollars donated to his campaign. Have you ever heard of the Chinese donating to any other presidents campaign? It's also kinda suspicious as to their sudden missle technology jump, and missing documents ya think? What ever happened to mr. BJ-Clinton's "National Health Care" that he vowed to have implemented? 8 yrs , and not a damn thing. The only thing he managed to do was give HMO's the right to refuse.

Clinton did not give secrets to the chinese. He did not attack China as much as he should have when he found out about the security leaks, but he did not give secrets to the Chinese.

What happened to Clintons Health care? He was stuck with a republican congress.

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[MrVicchio]

Do you have ANY earthly Idea what that health Care plan would have DONE to America? No you obviously don't. Thank God the RNC was incharge and stopped that mad man from sending us down that path of Socilaism. ASDFLHQ#WE_
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[Lexington_Steele]

I am not arguing for the the health care plan, I was merely asking the question of what happened to it. The finer points of health care is a whole new can of worms.

[MrVicchio]

You liberals, Wher were you when Clinton killed 2000 civilians? Where were you when he wanted to invade Iraq, and he almost did. You were cheering him on.

Hypocrits the lot of you are. Move to France and live in Socialist Hell there and quit trying to Tear Down America, you all do not deserve the Freedoms of this Country.

[Lexington_Steele]

Bah I am for Bush going into Iraq so.