The purpose of life - Page 2

Denali · 2003-02-14, 11:24 AM

I believe life is what you make it. If you will be happy the rest of your life raising a wonderful family and providing for them, then your life was a success, that's great. Someone else may want to climb a mountain before they die, so once that mountain is climbed they can die happy, and their life was a great success. The big question is not whether there is a heaven or a hell, but what are you living for? What can you do to make your life complete?

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-14, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
*I* say the point of life is to get to heaven, and to bring as many of these other numb nuts with you as possible. If you believe in heaven, the earth is just a flick on the radar, so it's quick and painless. The sooner you die, the sooner you get to heaven, so why be a coward? Why be ashamed of your beliefs? There's my 2 cent. People blame God when bad things happen, but they just ignore the facts that they didn't do anything to stop the evil in world. Makes no sense to me. People who blame God for bad things, are just ostriches who want to blame someone else when shit hits the fan.

Just to play devils advocate,

If the purpose is to make it to heaven, that means that some people don't make it. What if your best friend/wife/girlfriend/parents don't make it to heaven? Could you imagine a heaven without them? Do you believe that your god excludes some people from his love?

So if you shouldn't blame god when bad things happen, why thank him when good things happen?

Navaron · 2003-02-14, 11:43 AM

"If the purpose is to make it to heaven, that means that some people don't make it. What if your best friend/wife/girlfriend/parents don't make it to heaven? Could you imagine a heaven without them?"

See God is like the weapons inspectors, it's not his job to get you in heaven, it's your's to prove you're worthy.

"So if you shouldn't blame god when bad things happen, why thank him when good things happen?"

Cause, God wants the good, and the devil or demons or whatever you want to call them, don't want that. You get to choose. If you dick up and pick wrong, he'll let you start over and try again, but if you're a dumbass and don't get it straight before you bite it, then you get to pay the piper.

Do you believe that your god excludes some people from his love?

Nope, it's there for everyone to take and grab, some people are too stupid to do so. That's their problem.

KoldFusion · 2003-02-14, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
"If the purpose is to make it to heaven, that means that some people don't make it. What if your best friend/wife/girlfriend/parents don't make it to heaven? Could you imagine a heaven without them?"

See God is like the weapons inspectors, it's not his job to get you in heaven, it's your's to prove you're worthy.

"So if you shouldn't blame god when bad things happen, why thank him when good things happen?"

Cause, God wants the good, and the devil or demons or whatever you want to call them, don't want that. You get to choose. If you dick up and pick wrong, he'll let you start over and try again, but if you're a dumbass and don't get it straight before you bite it, then you get to pay the piper.

Do you believe that your god excludes some people from his love?

Nope, it's there for everyone to take and grab, some people are too stupid to do so. That's their problem.

I'll add something to this. specifically to the praising God when good happens and still trusting in him when the bad happens.
In the book of Job there a perfect example of God being in total control of everything. Things happen so He can achieve His will and it is not for us creatures to understand or recieve an explanation. In that story the devil asks God for permission to harm Job's family and instill other hardships on him to try and shake his faith. God grants this permission but INSTRUCTS the devil to no harm Job. The Devil has no recourse and complies.
Basically, Let God be God. Live your life the way you feel it should be lived. If it is Gods will and he has predestined you to feel the Holy Spirit... then you shall feel it but, it is up to you to lay hold of Him. God forgives b/c His son bore our trangressions..... but just b/c He will forgive.... that doesn't mean we can continue to sin, knowingly giving ourselves to sin and expect Him to reedeem us. You will find that Romans 6 speaks to this issue. I'll stop here

Nohimn · 2003-02-14, 12:28 PM

Nav, when you say:

"Do you believe that your god excludes some people from his love?

Nope, it's there for everyone to take and grab, some people are too stupid to do so. That's their problem."

I am not excluding myself from his love. I simply don't beleive it's there. If I don't beleive it's there, why should I be stupid enough to go asking for it? I don't mind that you beleive in god, but that remark very much offends me and can offend any other "stupid" atheist. I don't offend other people's beliefs, I simply express mine, and you should do the same. that comment is as bad as among the worst comments Bighoss has made. I guess you're not any better than he, or ABRA for that matter.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-14, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
"What if your best friend/wife/girlfriend/parents don't make it to heaven? Could you imagine a heaven without them?"

"Do you believe that your god excludes some people from his love?"

Nope, it's there for everyone to take and grab, some people are too stupid to do so. That's their problem.

So what happens if the people that are the most important to you don't make it to heaven?

What are the requirements for getting to heaven? Are they posted somewhere?

And where do the people who don't go to heaven go?

archaic1128 · 2003-02-14, 04:23 PM

Heres a little food for your brains. If you truely believe in god, and have read the Bible this article will make you shiver.
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1027.html

Also, if you would like a list of good research sites feel free to PM me. This goes for naysayers and non-believers as well.

Quicksand · 2003-02-14, 05:24 PM

I dont think there is any real one reason why we exist. I know as human beings we have certain responsibilties, but i dont think there is any rewards or punishmants awaiting us at the end if we dont act like human beings. live and let live is i think the most important reason. every thing that is alive is sacred and should be respected as an equal. Just because we are born as poeple doesnt mean we are human beings , there are a lot of animals out there walking on 2 legs, i think you have to make a decision to act like a human, without expecting a reward or fear of some gods wrath.

MrVicchio · 2003-02-14, 10:10 PM

Wow... i am gone all day and this thread got more then 3 responses.. wow...

I am proud of my beliefs.. you don't have to share or agree with them...

I think God loves all, but some through their OWN actions get shunned by God, thus the whole free-will thing.

Navaron · 2003-02-15, 10:38 AM

Ok Nohimm,

You think that I'm such an asshole that you have to spread it throughout the forums huh? Well you say I'm bashin your beliefs, well you're the one bashing mine.

I believe in heaven.

I believe it is fairly easy to get into heaven.

I believe it is everyone's job to try and get everyone else to go to heaven also.

I believe it is fairly simple to get into heaven.

IF I believe these things, then it IS stupid in my mind for someone to not accept the path into heaven. This is a thread about what we believe and your holier than though ass comes along and judges what I believe and flames me? Well screw you.

You use the exact flipside of my argument against me you hypocrite.

"why should I be stupid enough to go asking for it?"

If you don't believe it's there, then asking for it is stupid in your mind, well I believe it's there so not asking is stupid in my mind. I don't know where the judgement train stops, but it's time you got off.

"stupid" atheist"

I never said atheist were stupid, don't put words in my mouth. Here's the quote I used, "If you dick up and pick wrong, he'll let you start over and try again, but if you're a dumbass and don't get it straight before you bite it, then you get to pay the piper." I still stand by that quote because it's my belief. If you don't like it, then go flame elsewhere. A dumb ass is someone who doesn't know better or is ignorant - not stupid. SO if a person doesn't believe/or know it's there - then they are ignorant in my mind.

"I guess you're not any better than he, or ABRA for that matter."

The point you have no arguement and are offended on a shallow emotional level is evidant since you result to personal assault. I say go for, since I consider you on their, level your worthless little spoutings haven't, and never will, amount to much anyway.

If you've got a problem with me, you take it up with me in that forum or in PM, you don't try and slander around the forums behind my back. Be a man. Step it up.

Nohimn · 2003-02-15, 10:47 AM

I am not here to flame anyone, but that's just arrogance and I am merely defending myself:o

Navaron · 2003-02-15, 10:51 AM

I'm sorry you see my opinions and beliefs as arrogance, but you have no right to insult them and me - and moreover to take my words out of context and all over the forums to make a little point to impress your buddies. Not only do I not appreciatte it, I am offended. You say you are defending yourself, but you haven't been attacked. Defense is not slander all over the forums. You're being childish. Grow up or shut up.

MrVicchio · 2003-02-15, 10:58 AM

If you don't believe in God.. why? If there is no God.. then there is no reason to be a goo dmoral person, everyone should just do whatever the hell they can get away with cause there are no consequnces for ones actions..

Which is, IMHO the main reason many people that are athiest ARE athiest.. cause if they weren't.. they'd have to admit they are living a life that is bad, and they would have to change.. Athesim is, an excuse to live in "sin" because people don't like ot admit they are doing wrong.

Destroyeron · 2003-02-15, 11:06 AM

the purpose of life truly is to have sex and reproduce. thank god for life!

Nohimn · 2003-02-15, 11:16 AM

Nav, I'm not calling your beleifs arrogant. I come from a religious family, but the comment about how that if people reject god they are stupid and that it's their problem, that's where I draw the line.