French Warfare History - Page 5

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-14, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by SandTrout
The French are just impeading the rest of NATO at this point, and I think they should just leave NATO and let us get on with it. I don't have anything against the French people in particular, but their Gov. is starting to piss me off. The Germans at least are only saying they wont support an atack on Iraq, but probably wont impead it either.

The US sees a war on Iraq as being in the best interest of the American people and will therefore do whatever it can to start a war.

France sees a war on Iraq as not in the best interest of the french people, and will do whatever it can to prevent a war.

I find it tough to damn a nation that is looking out for the interests of its people. (Isn't that what we elect our politicians to do; to represent our interests?)

SandTrout · 2003-02-15, 12:31 AM

The french dont have to get involved in the war, but what reason would they have for not wanting to get rid of a brutal dictator that is trying to procure delivery systems for WMD? Unless the alligations that the french are getting black-market oil from Iraq are true...

Mtx · 2003-02-15, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by SandTrout
black-market oil

SandTrout · 2003-02-15, 12:54 AM

What's so funny? Iraq is forbiden from selling oil for anything except food. If it sells it for money, it can only be done illeagaly, IE: the black-market.

mistled · 2003-02-15, 12:58 AM

Actually, it came out this week (or last) that some German companies (not the government, companies) were selling illegal items to Iraq. Just makes me wonder if France is trying to hide something along those same lines.

Mtx · 2003-02-15, 10:51 AM

I'm tired of my country being the worlds police. All over the world people want to kill eachother and we stop them. If we would let all these people just kill eachother off there would be no terrorist factions.

Not only that but it would make the world a lot more interesting.

Navaron · 2003-02-15, 10:53 AM

We could make the great wall of America. That has a nice ring to it. It'd help keep all those crazy Cannucks out too. (

Dio)

JacenX · 2003-02-15, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
I hope so to, but I don't think it will. I think that currently terrorists are waiting for us to attack Iraq now that it is certain that we are going to. They want it to appear that they are attacking the US because we started the war with Iraw, thus increasing anti-war sentiment within the country. Sad thing is, it may work.

Terrorist atacks after war in Iraq, and riots in Arab countries will just show USA will not win the Terrorist war by acting dumbly and unilateraly. The european governements pro-war are just US's pet waiting for your money (Uk, Italy, Spain and principally eastern europe). France and lot of people in the world (as you can see it today) says no to war cuz we care about peace. Giving reasons to fanaticals and terrorists ( like Attacking Iraq without the agreement of most of the europeans and UN) to attack US and Europe is not the solution.

JacenX · 2003-02-15, 12:18 PM

I Believe USA must keep a high miltary pressure in Iraq but not attack, this way we'll may be able to disarm Saddam without having to use directly force.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-15, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by SandTrout
The french dont have to get involved in the war, but what reason would they have for not wanting to get rid of a brutal dictator that is trying to procure delivery systems for WMD? Unless the alligations that the french are getting black-market oil from Iraq are true...

What will france lose? There is the promise of lucrative deals,especially for french oil companies, once sactions are lifted. (you did realize that sanctions would not last forever didn't you?) There is also the the over 4 billion dollars that Iraq owes France.

If Saddam was removed, France will lose the billions of dollars loaned to Iraq, and it would lose billions in future revenues.

The idea of black market oil purchases is irrelevent. There are plenty of other reasons why France would not want to see a war in Iraq.

JacenX · 2003-02-15, 03:06 PM

Guys open your eyes and wake up!
Since the beginning our countries make a lot by selling weapons and by stealing oil from 3rd countries.

But this time, I don't it's a war foir oil.

First, as we all know Bush will atack with our without UN support, so the best way to have our oil companies in Iraq would be to make a coallition with USA, "we attack Iraq with you, we give you ful support and help with mass media manipulation but your don't touch "our oil", you take what is left" (and there s lot of oil left). By opposing war, France, Germany etc are just taking the risk of not participation of the rebuilding of Iraq, thus loosing the chance of having companies settled there.
Then, we know Saddam want to stay in power, and we know he's ready to sell all the oil he has to USA, France, etc, so why bother doing a war?

War against terrorism and WDMs? I'll not talk about it, Colin Powell tried to and it was near to be ridiculous. Outdated information, no proofs at all, just speculations. How could a little country like Iraq with, all the pressure he had since the gulf war, be a threat for us?

War against an evil dictator? Why not, but are USA going to attack every undemocratic country in the world? o_O

So, I really don't see any reason for this war, and neither all the millions people who went in the street today.

Now many people see what would be the bad consequences of attacking Iraq : destabilizing the middle east, rising antiamerican and antioccident feelings in the whole world and thus promoving terrorist attacks. Ho yeah, and of course, (i was going to forget it), economic crisis....