Absurd, utterly absurd. - Page 7

MrVicchio · 2003-02-18, 06:05 PM

Lex,

Chew on this, after 9/11 there was NO RISE in hate crimes against Muslims.

So lets see, an attack of that magnitutude produced NO RISE IN HATE CRIMES.

Yet the objection to the gay lifestyle MIGHT thus we cannot allow it.

Your logic is flawed, baseless and unfounded, no, its founded in fear, and the use of that said fear to curb the free speech of those that disagree with you and your beliefs. That is reprehensible.

afex · 2003-02-18, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
Why isn't pornography legal for children under the age of 18?

There are just things that we don't want our children to be exposed to. Hate is something I don't want our children to be exposed to.

this discussion would probably go a little smoother for you if you would talk about the subject at hand rather than continuously bringing up your own little arguement about hate. you're the only one talking about it here.

we're all talking about hypocrasy and free speech.

MrVicchio · 2003-02-18, 06:08 PM

Okay, as for the Bible,

Yes, it is nopt perfect, it has some flaws... induced by man. That is a given.

There are FAR more flaws with following the tenents of secular humanism then follwoing the Bible.

Arshune · 2003-02-18, 06:08 PM

archaic-Well, for starters...in the very beginning the story of Adam and Eve contradicts the events laid out with the story of how God created the world. There's some more in there too, I just don't remember exactly what and where they are.

Also, wasn't this argument about a Canadian court decision? Canada has far different free speech laws than the United States, and as ridiculous as they are, that's how they do things up north.

archaic1128 · 2003-02-18, 06:11 PM

I'm still waiting for Lex to enlighten me as to where he sees hate in those passages and as to why the man deserved to get sued for a hate crime.

Arshune · 2003-02-18, 06:12 PM

I don't think it's necessarily the passages themselves that are hateful, it's just the way the guy used them.

MrVicchio · 2003-02-18, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by archaic1128
I'm still waiting for Lex to enlighten me as to where he sees hate in those passages and as to why the man deserved to get sued for a hate crime.

Because they MIGHT cause SOMEBODY to get angry next time they saw two men holding hands aand then he MIGHT think about doing SOMETHING to them.

That is not allowed in his view of the world.

Unregistered · 2003-02-18, 06:28 PM

The bible was written by men and no one, not even the pope will deny that fact.

First off to give a little insight into Christanity, and some of the more apualing things in the bible you have to understand that it is not One Book. It's not even 2 Books. It is a colection of many, many books.

First off you have the Old Testament, which most of the Jewish Faith is based on. There are many, many, strict religous rules that stem from the old testement including the one about Woman that you keep brining up.

No joke, God was one fucked up prick back in those days. He'd lay waste to entire cities with fire and brimstone if you pissed him off, and if that didn't work he'd just flood the whole planet.

Enter Jesus & The New Testament

God, getting sick and tired of kicking our asses sends his kid down here to talk some sence into us. A long the way he forms up Religous Cult of 12 guys and they go out preching the Word of the Lord. (Much of the New Testament is written by the Aposoltes, that's why they say "A reading from the book of John"). Well most people didn't like him chalenging established Roman religion so they killed him.

The Aposletes wrote wrote of Jesus' teaching after his death, and they were later collected into what we know as the bible.

The important thing to keep in mind is that Nonthing from the Old Testament holds true After the Death of Christ. His last words of "Forgive them for they know not what they do" spared the earth from another flood, or worse.

So anyone that wants to hate on the bible or point out it's contriditions should keep in mind that the things layed out in the Old Testement have no berring on the New Testament.

In short:

God = Grumpy Old Prick that will turn you into a pillar of salt if you cross him, and don't even think about worshiping that Golden Cow!

Jesus = Peace Loving Hippie son of God. Took over the Family bussiness of running the earth, got killed for it, forgave us all and now him and the old man keep to them selves unless you go looking for them.

It's really that easy.

[Now to start a new topic about Free Speech vs Hate]

archaic1128 · 2003-02-18, 06:29 PM

"I don't think it's necessarily the passages themselves that are hateful, it's just the way the guy used them."

Hmm, i beleive the guy just posted the scriptures with passage number and a picture of 2 guys holding hands w/ a circle and slash. So if the passages aren't the offensive part then that means the graphics after them was the offensive part......interesting but i still don't see why that is considered a hate crime.

Navaron · 2003-02-18, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
You are going to aquire troll status if you keep attacking arshune and not arshunes argument. This is the second thread you have done it in.

Bite me Lex. I was staying out of the arguement. I was also giving him advice, cause he just got lit up for that True thing. IMO is a free ticket. Can you hear me down here? Or should I shout so it reaches your perch?

Navaron · 2003-02-18, 06:35 PM

Unreg, that was the most interesting interpretation of the bible I have ever seen. I'm not even disagreeing with it. Ha.

Yep, it's also why **** don't eat pork. Old testament.

Bighoss · 2003-02-18, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered

No joke, God was one fucked up prick back in those days. He'd lay waste to entire cities with fire and brimstone if you pissed him off, and if that didn't work he'd just flood the whole planet.

God, getting sick and tired of kicking our asses sends his kid down here to talk some sence into us. A long the way he forms up Religous Cult of 12 guys and they go out preching the Word of the Lord

I like this god fellow

SandTrout · 2003-02-18, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
Why isn't pornography legal for children under the age of 18?

There are just things that we don't want our children to be exposed to. Hate is something I don't want our children to be exposed to.

That law is hardly enforced because of the anominity of the internet, and pornography is hardly a form of speach. Pornography is suposedly an "art" and is not saying anything in particular other than "beat your meat".

However, the thought of pornography and sex is not banned for people under 18. There is a "Man Boy Love" association that supports relationships between men and under-aged boys, but it is protected by free speech because it doesn't have pornography on it.

This supports my point that only actions and some items can be made illeagal, but not thoughts.

mistled · 2003-02-18, 06:59 PM

Lex, if you want to see hate, you only have to look to this forum's view on Christianity. I have never once seen you defend it from attack, so please don't act like you are simply standing against hate. People on this thread are standing against a man who stated his view in print because he claims to be a Christian. If he was muslim, all that would have said is that it happened in Canada and their laws are different.

This thread is not even about Christianity. This thread is about a court deciding that someone placing their view in print can be considered a hate crime. Nothing more, nothing less. Now why don't you all go elsewhere and quit assaulting Christians (since that's what you see stating an opinion as, assault) for thinking differently that you do.

- mistled

archaic1128 · 2003-02-18, 07:00 PM

Unreg,
Very nicely stated, took the words right outta my mouth- except the prick part

The problem is people, who have not studied the bible or it's meaning both new and old, just don't realize how easy it is.
They would rather hate, ban and teach us how we are wrong.

Ohhh lex, where ya hiding? I would like an answer to those passages, please.