Absurd, utterly absurd. - Page 9

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-18, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by SandTrout
That will be true very soon, but it is not quite yet. I am against is blatent erosion of our rights, and if it gets byond a certain point, I sudgest that we consider the govornment unlawful and move to put mor competent leaders in its place.

Just accepting it will not make it better, it will only goad them to do more, faster. If you try to keep me from saying what I believe, you had better be ready for my violent reaction.

As for saying "I'm going to kill the president," that is a threat, and you are admiting that you will make an atempt on the president's life. This article, however, is saying that god is against homosexuality, not that the guy is going to go hunting for homos. There is a big diference there.

Lex, you wouldn't happen to be a member of the commmunist party, would you? You can tell the truth, the right of free speech that you denounce protects you.

Why didin't I have the right to view pornography until the age of 18?

Why is it illegal for me to threaten the president?

Why is it illegal to yell fire in a crowded building?

Why is it illegal to misquote you?

Why can you sue me if I quote you out of context?

Why can you sue me if I openly insult you or your reputation?

Why can't certain words be said on network television?

Why can't nudity be shown on network television?

These are all violations of the right to free speech. Why do they exist?

I am not a communist. Pure communism does not work, just as pure capitalism does not work. I am very much for free speech. I just understand that there are times and places where a freedom of speech is not appropriate.

It is not like this guy can not publish his ad anywhere. There are many mediums that would have picked up the add where he would not have been fined. He picked an inapropriate place to publish it. He can spew his anti gay propoganda until he is blue in the face. There are just some place that he can not publish it.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-18, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by SandTrout
Then again, you don't value rights, do you Lex? You just want everything to follow your code of right and wrong and ban anyone who disagrees.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You feel murder is wrong and the people who commit murder should be arrested. You feel that stealing is wrong, even if it is the needy who are stealing. You (probably) feel that people who refuse to pay income tax are doing wrong and you would see them arrested.

That is your code of right and wrong and you arrest anyone who disagrees with it. This isn't as simple as more freedoms = a better society.

Until you are living in pure anarchy don't accuse me of valuing my rights any less than you.

MrVicchio · 2003-02-18, 09:01 PM

Lex, Your logic IS flawed. Please, SHOW US this "increase" in hate crime against muslims.

So far, my google search showed a spike, immediatly after 9/11 and then it dropped ot pre-9/11 levels.

To expect NO backlash after the murder of 3000 americans in the way that occured would be absurd.

That it "spiked" means NOTHING. There was no lasting "backlash"

If a man says "I am Proud and GAY!" good for him.

But if another man were to say "I am Straight and find Homosexuality a sin!" To you, that is inciting hate.

Of course, after reading many of oyur post, I have come to the conclusion that you are an elitist.

You feel only your views, and those that share your views are valid. You make non-sense arguements, such as "Why cant I look at porn before the age of 18?" and "Why cant I threaten the President? Those are violations of my free speech!"

What mularky. Why can't you buy porn till you are 18? Cuase this is a Moral Society. If you want to buy Porn, move to France, they got porn that is banned in most civilized countries.

You claim to be against "inciting hate" Yet you use the line about threatening the President to back your own arguements.

Elitistism is Tyranny by the minorty. You are a wanna be Tyrant.

MrVicchio · 2003-02-18, 09:02 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...18/nxeno18.xml

Move to the EU, Lex, if you arent all ready there, they are your kinda people.

MrVicchio · 2003-02-18, 09:04 PM

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

You feel murder is wrong and the people who commit murder should be arrested. You feel that stealing is wrong, even if it is the needy who are stealing. You (probably) feel that people who refuse to pay income tax are doing wrong and you would see them arrested.

That is your code of right and wrong and you arrest anyone who disagrees with it. This isn't as simple as more freedoms = a better society.

Until you are living in pure anarchy don't accuse me of valuing my rights any less than you.

If a needy person steals... you think it aint a crime?????????? You feel it is Justified???

With freedom comes responisbility, without which society collapses.

Bighoss · 2003-02-18, 09:11 PM

my fucking god, everyone next stop 1984.

Something has to be done I can't take this !!! Politcal correctness is like new speak in 1984. there are gonna be god damn thought police

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If somone has a different opinion than the majority they get arrested !

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-18, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by MrVicchio
If a needy person steals... you think it aint a crime?????????? You feel it is Justified???

With freedom comes responisbility, without which society collapses.

No, I think it is a crime. I was not suggesting that murder should be legal either. I also thing you should pay taxes.

Iwas just stating how there needs to be a ballance of what you are free to do and what you are not free to do.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-18, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by MrVicchio
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...18/nxeno18.xml

Move to the EU, Lex, if you arent all ready there, they are your kinda people.

You can't get rid of me that easily.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-18, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by MrVicchio
Of course, after reading many of oyur post, I have come to the conclusion that you are an elitist.

You feel only your views, and those that share your views are valid. You make non-sense arguements, such as "Why cant I look at porn before the age of 18?" and "Why cant I threaten the President? Those are violations of my free speech!"

What mularky. Why can't you buy porn till you are 18? Cuase this is a Moral Society. If you want to buy Porn, move to France, they got porn that is banned in most civilized countries.

You claim to be against "inciting hate" Yet you use the line about threatening the President to back your own arguements.

Elitistism is Tyranny by the minorty. You are a wanna be Tyrant.

You see not giving teenages pornography as part of a Moral society.

I see not presenting gay bashing to teenagers as part of a Moral society.

I swear that you don't even read my posts:
Just a few posts up you suggested that I though stealing should be legal.

The whole thing with the president, that was giving an example of a time where we should not be allowed the freedom of speech. I fully support the idea that it is illegal to make threats on the president. I stand by the fact that I am against inciting hate.

I do not support making porn for legal for kids to buy. I was giving an example of where it is ok to limit the freedom of speech.

Ahh so you did see the spike in hate crimes against muslims after 9/11. So you do recognise things that events and things that are in the media do effect levels of hate crimes.

Mr Vicchio, if you really want me gone that badly I will never post again. I am not trying to piss you off. I am not trying to upset you. Just say the word and I will leave this forum.

archaic1128 · 2003-02-18, 10:09 PM

"I was giving an example of where it is ok to limit the freedom of speech."

Lex,
Noone here is disagreeing w/ the fact that there are certain limitations to freedom of speech. The fact of the matter is whether this ad is promoting hatred or not.

Personally, i feel the gay community used this as a stepping stone. Whats next, getting sued for protesting a gay parade?
This is a small step towards utter stupidity on the governments part, like it or not.

example: It's ok for anyone to openly condemn a christians beliefs, be it the media or a protest, but it's not ok to condemn the gay community?

example: it's ok for the blacks to have an all black college but it is not ok for the white people to have an all white college, thats racism.

Same thoery, same double standards, same hipocracy..get it?

Navaron · 2003-02-18, 10:16 PM

Well said.

Subliminal · 2003-02-18, 10:29 PM

One thing that bothers me about the gay and lesbian (hey nobody complained about them) "communities" are that they have to hold parades and stuff. IMO i thinkt they are shoving their lifestyle and culture in my face and it pisses me off to a certain extant. They make too big of a deal about their sexual preferance and In some ways it draws alot more attention to them (which for some reason i think they like) sadly most of it is negitive attention. Yes society is full of hetrosexual stuff and im sure they think we stick it in their face but (and dont cry when i say this cause i hate PC) too bad so sad most of us have one preference and you will have to deal with it. So basically i think they have the right to do whatever the hell they want but dont come barkin up this tree if I wanna talk about it, i can im an american just like you so if i say something you dont like do the american thing and call me names back

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-18, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by archaic1128
[B]
Personally, i feel the gay community used this as a stepping stone. Whats next, getting sued for protesting a gay parade?
This is a small step towards utter stupidity on the governments part, like it or not.

Stepping stone to what? Is this a secret gay plot to try and take over the world?

Lexington_Steele · 2003-02-18, 11:36 PM

Originally posted by archaic1128
[B]example: It's ok for anyone to openly condemn a christians beliefs, be it the media or a protest, but it's not ok to condemn the gay community?

example: it's ok for the blacks to have an all black college but it is not ok for the white people to have an all white college, thats racism.

As far as example one. I don't think it is openly ok to bash christianity either.

As far as the black college thing, I am sure that you could get into a black college. If you apply to a black college and you had credentials above their standards they would be forced to let you in. If you really wanted too, I am sure you could appeal any kind of rejection all the way up to the supreme court.

archaic1128 · 2003-02-18, 11:49 PM

Lex,
I believe you are wrong to a certain degree. First, if my memory serves me correctly someone tried that route and got rejected, all the way up the ladder. I will try to find the info pertaining to it for you.

Second, i don't believe that an all black college is required by law to have a certain percentage of whites or other to meet set standards.

The whole point being is many groups,races etc have played the perverbial double standard to it's fullest to gain acceptance in society. However, when it comes to the groups, races that are against said groups, races, the race or hate issues seem to be in place to favor them. If that makes sence.....

edit- In other words, if you're white anything you say regarding a minority is considered racist. Any crime committed against a minority is considered a hate crime.

Just recently during a AfroFest, some blacks grouped up and ran the streets looking for white people. They were beating on these white people on an average of 15-1, yet this was not considered a hate crime. Mind you they did not attack anyone but white people. Put it the other way around and every white person involved would've been imprisoned for committing a hate crime. This is right?

Again, just another version of hipocracy that the gay community took advantage of by suing this man.