What do you hope is REMOVED from PS:N

[ArcticPrism]

Originally Posted by Bags

Well, it's the only solution that allows people to dogfight while not being able to instagib infantry in the mossie, bar completely nerfing the AI damage. I am well aware why we can't bomb at an angle... it was just an example. On second thought, nerfing the AI damage makes 1000x more sense.

You wouldn't be able to dog fight if you had to be level. What if your opponent turns or moves up and down? How would you shoot then while chasing? Yes, reducing the infantry damage is better.

[Sirisian]

Originally Posted by Valverde

This may have been mentioned but the one thing I really want to go away and I do not really know what to call it is, the team hit points that pop up on your screen because so jack wagon run infront of you and 20 other people while your are all blasting the hell out of a enemy behind a door or in the open.

Grief points. Pro-tip: Don't shoot friendlies no matter what.

[Valverde]

Originally Posted by Sirisian

Grief points. Pro-tip: Don't shoot friendlies no matter what.

Ok cool wasn't sure what to call them besides annoying red noise of doom. It happens all to often where some cloaker thinks he/she can run into the base with friendly fire shooting at the door to kill the people inside.

[Bags]

Originally Posted by ArcticPrism

You wouldn't be able to dog fight if you had to be level. What if your opponent turns or moves up and down? How would you shoot then while chasing? Yes, reducing the infantry damage is better.

Yeah as I said, reducing damage is 1000x. I have no idea why I thought it would be a good idea.

[Hamma]

I said this in another thread, but please remove FLAK. We aren't even using that shit anymore in this day in age.

[kaffis]

Originally Posted by wolfkrone

Really tough question. I guess I would like to see less waiting around for bases to capture. There should still be some bases that require the full 15 mins because Galaxy rescues are really awesome, but maybe they could just leave the old style capture for strategic bases and have all the others use LLU.

I love "defending the hack." It's a great source of tension. What can make it suck, though, is when all resistance just disappears, and you're "defending" against, well, nobody. I think defending the hack is a better mechanic than LLUs, there simply needs to be some balance and mechanics tweaking done to ensure that the defenders don't either just give up entirely, or find themselves unable to mount a resistance. Some of this is population related, and I'm open to discussing ideas on the rest of it.

Originally Posted by Rbstr

You really need to play a more serious shooter to get what I'm saying, CS:S is kind of like it. BC2 hardcore is the real model.

But I don't like more "serious shooters." I like good team games that I can at least keep up in and contribute despite my lack of a desire to play daily 6 hour sessions to hone my reflexes. I'm not knocking the "serious shooters," I simply think that a) the market has a glut of them, and b) it's a radical departure from the original, which will alienate some fans of the franchise.

Originally Posted by Rbstr

Essentially I want to make things really quite deadly. This has a few effects:
1. People value cover and tactical positioning more. If you get caught in the open you're toast, not just inconvenienced when you reach the next cover.
2. Aiming and weapon control becomes a much more valuable skill. (especially when implemented with a real recoil system, instead of equal probability COF wackiness).

I'm all for getting people to value cover and tactical positioning. There are other ways, though, that don't sacrifice the pace of combat and over-penalize (in the context of the franchise's history) slower reflexes.

Also, COF management is just as interesting as more authentic and predictable recoil. It's a different feel, that's all, and any choice you make will have advocates and detractors.

Originally Posted by Rbstr

3. Getting the drop on someone makes more difference. When I played PS, a rexo/HA could make a full turn around at close range and kill an agile/MA that was shooting him in the back because of the cof bloom and HP differences. That's dumb.

Then you didn't manage your range adequately, despite getting the drop on him. Or you weren't managing your COF bloom as well as he was. This has never been the case in my experience. He might get a chance to injure you, but HA at ideal range is superior to MA, whenever I've played.

Originally Posted by Rbstr

4. Longer distance combat and outdoor combat becomes more prominent. If MA can pick you off instead of being, mostly, an annoyance suddenly the struggle doesn't just focus near as much around stairwells and corridors like PS used to.

It sounds like you're speaking from a heavily TR perspective, here. Pick up a gauss or a punisher sometime. The cycler's a lousy example, because it suffers some balance issues of its own, but the problem isn't MA, or ranged combat outdoors. Vehicles might actually be a contributing factor here, though, to be honest. Your goal whenever is exposed is to get to shelter before a vehicle/aircraft notices you. This is a bigger hindrance to outdoor ranged combat than the efficacy of MA.

Originally Posted by Rbstr

Basically a system where HA is about close range domination and long range sustained fire and suppression, while MA is more of a general use thing. They basically kill you in about the same # of hits, but HA is going to be able keep longer bursts for the chaotic short range stuff, while MA gives you more precision at longer ranges.
The theory the same as to the current HA/MA stuff, but it's been aligned so they over lap far more. HA would also be able to deal with MAX to some degree while MA would not fare well.

I disagree that they need overlap. Planetside follows a set of loose rock/paper/scissors schemes. Limiting overlap is key, there.

Honestly, the gauss, punisher, and pulsar are all pretty good. The cycler needs a bit of adjustment, but not much. The gauss is a joy to use (it's my primary memory as NC) and pretty well defined infantry combat for me in PS. I would be disappointed to see much change about that. I think the above weapons set excellent baselines for kill times against various armors and engagement ranges in Planetside.

Originally Posted by Sirisian

Nah makes sense. MA is actually a range weapon. One of my favorite guns was the Punisher which makes quick work of enemies at a range. Also rexo has more armor points allowing it to take 100 more damage which is just enough for the rexo to make an offensive. At short range though always bet on the HA rexo.

I thought the number of bullets and the time to kill was perfect. You could take a few shots and find cover. Get sniped and duck to heal without worrying about any long range instant kills. It really made having healing and engineering advantageous and in a way helped teamwork. If everyone had died two hits in front of you repairing them would be almost meaningless. That and it would remove most of the differences in the armor types except for the inventory. So the idea is to make healing and repairing a worthwhile activity.


I had the feeling HA was designed to be both offensive and defensive. It sounds like you want to make it a defensive weapon which really restricts its uses.

I agree with you on all points.

Originally Posted by Tremadog

I think increasing the lethality of the weapons anymore would ruin outdoor combat. Rexo and Medical certs would be almost worthless if some unseen assailant can down you in two bullets in about half a second. Having something unleasant happen to you in a game without warning that you can't react to is generally considered frustrating. Here's an article in the TF2 blog thats does a better job of explaining my opinion than I do. http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=2477&p=8

And you, as well.

Originally Posted by Aractain

I think a key problem with Planetsides design in general is focus on kills. Obiovusly the game didn't support anything else and that is the problem. If your big gun didn't kill lots of people nobody would use it.

Having such a limited scope for designing gameplay (it must kill and kill fast) is what ruined AA, artillery, BFRs etc etc.

I would certainly be pleased if PS did a better job of rewarding roles and goals rather than simply kills. I think it can be done, and I hope they seek some input if they're having a hard time figuring out how to go about it. Rewarding roles and goals, and the teamwork that promotes, is one of the reasons I love TF2 as my multiplayer shooter of choice. Support classes are rewarded for supporting. Everybody's rewarded for objectives. It's great, and teams of random people will actually play to the objectives and support each other rather than trying to get the best killstreak on the server.

Originally Posted by I SandRock

Removed:
-Those silly caves
-The ability to cert into Adv med, engineer, heavy weapon, rexo and then some so easy. The grunt spec was too... cookie cutter? :P
- Walking for ages without a fight
- Jackhammer's sound. Make it something cute and friendly. I hated hearing that thing go off near me. I'd go into fetus position and cry like a baby just hearing it come nearer. SHA-BOOM SHA-BOOM SHA-BOOM SHA-BOOM. It's still the object of many of my nightmares

I loved the jackhammer sound (even though I was a SA/support player, myself). It meant the cavalry was on its way.

Originally Posted by Hamma

I said this in another thread, but please remove FLAK. We aren't even using that shit anymore in this day in age.

Flak is among my favorite weapons in Planetside. The burster alone had me considering defecting on numerous occasions. Oh, if only I could have hacked a burster corpse, as it were, and made my sparrow cert worthwhile.



As for me?

I want to see the terribly thought out AV MAXes scrapped and taken back to the drawing board. We've got what seems like the slowest projectile in the game with a lousy damage, we've got an indirect fire splash damage weapon system, and, honestly, I don't remember the Vanu AV that well, so it might have been alright or terrible.

I want to see most of the alien tech infantry weapons removed, and the alien tech support vehicles replaced with non-alien tech and brought into better balance with the ecosystem, as it were.

I want to see the decimator nerf removed. Make the space in my backpack and time switching weapons worth my attention again.

I want to see reaver hovering removed.

I want to see personal flight transport removed. I think I saw somebody mention here penalizing you for bailing out of an aircraft as the pilot. That could be a good call. Or maybe hike up the cert cost of reavers and mosquitoes, so they're not considered personal transport over air superiority craft.

I want to see merit pre-reqs removed. The game on release meant that anybody could take a new character on a spin through the tutorial and in 20 minutes (if they already knew what they were doing) have that character able to pick up any one cert they wanted. That's a selling point -- the first session you log in, there's nobody out there who has equipment you're not allowed to have, if that's what you want.

I want to see LLUs removed. The capture the flag mechanic takes me out of the war mindset, and puts too much of the focus on one guy and maybe the vehicle he's riding in. I'd much rather defend a position.

I want to see musical bases removed. Give the defenders the motivation, ability, and time to put up a fight instead of capturing the base you just left.

[Effective]

Upgraded Spitfires and wall turrets
Gal gunship (or at least nerf it so it's not such a ridiculous monster)
the ability for aircraft to shoot while hovering (as to reduce aircraft hover spam and door camping)
The primary mode from Grenades (excluding jammers) and the thumper.
The interlink benefit
BR40 + Extra cert points beyond 20-23

[Ubertrooper]

Devs with twisted personality disorders, megalomania, and personal grudges. Definitely need them gone. Flying tanks burrowing underground should receive bans, not people who say to the dev "Man, you're a stupid ******." If you want prissy fights with your lover, go to some gay SM place, devs, and vent your fagness there, then come to work and act not only like an impartial professional, but an adult impartial professional.

I TOTALLY agree with Traak on this topic. I was banned from the game by a dev for allegedly insulting him or one of his buddies in-game. Well, not only was I booted from the game, but he had my SOE account cancelled without a warning or going through a review process. I had subscribed to PS when it came out in 2003 until about 2005.

I had invested alot of time and money up to that point. I love PlanetSide the game but will not be playing again until all devs are made accountable. I want to see a webpage we can go to that has all the devs listed and their in-game screen names along with a way to file a complaint if you are treated unfairly.

I'm a team player and willing to help my comrades and new-comers alike, but when someone throws an arbitary insult at me, I will return it in kind. The devs and their buddies in-game think they have the power of little gods, that they can use a cheat against you, kill your character, bait you to respond, then get your account cancelled.

I'm not sure how many other players were done wrong like this, but I refuse to play again and spend good money until this issue is addressed by SOE.

Thanks to my fellow PlanetSide comrades...you are missed

[Madcow]

Originally Posted by Traak

Kill the caves.
I just hardly ever visited the caves after imprinting all three of my CR5s for the BFR, which I used for a day or so then never went back to.

The caves always felt like punishment, especially rewarding for cheaters and hackers, and no one else.

The caves became the last refuge against Vehicleside. You could actually get good infantry battles there. They weren't perfect by any stretch, but I also don't think any of us who were there at launch believe that Vehicleside can hold a candle to the fun of launch Planetside.

[Canaris]

Originally Posted by Madcow

The caves became the last refuge against Vehicleside. You could actually get good infantry battles there. They weren't perfect by any stretch, but I also don't think any of us who were there at launch believe that Vehicleside can hold a candle to the fun of launch Planetside.

That's why I'm hoping for some Urban combat area's for PS-N, you'll be able to have vehicles enter the area sure on the streets and alleys but it would primarily be designed for infantry vs infantry in building to building fighting.

[LordReaver]

I would like the gun position to be lowered some relative to the character model. Currently it's almost at the top of the model. This change would prevent ridge snipers, as they would actually have to stick their head out to get a shot off.

[Jamini]

Originally Posted by Madcow

The caves became the last refuge against Vehicleside. You could actually get good infantry battles there. They weren't perfect by any stretch, but I also don't think any of us who were there at launch believe that Vehicleside can hold a candle to the fun of launch Planetside.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of TR mossies in Byblos. What were you saying?

Personally, I want bailing gone from aircav and air to suck against individual infantry. Everything else is perfectly fine. Even BFRs are more fine than air.

[LordReaver]

Bail lock, is just a a lazy way to skirt around the real issue. The real issue is people thinking they deserve a kill. If it's too hard to get a kill in general, then you buff or nerf something. You don't remove a feature like that.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by LordReaver

Bail lock, is just a a lazy way to skirt around the real issue. The real issue is people thinking they deserve a kill. If it's too hard to get a kill in general, then you buff or nerf something. You don't remove a feature like that.

I want to be able to bail out of my Rexo and into a Wasp. Or out of my Vanguard at all.

[LordReaver]

What???