One F2P feature that LoL doesn't have and Planetside 2 NEEDS - Page 3

Xyntech · 2011-11-02, 10:11 PM

Yeah, cosmetics would be the better type of item to gift anyways, for gameplay reasons. If they are also less of a problem for fraud, bring em on (with whatever additional layers of protection in addition).

I don't see anything wrong with the developers saying "Yes you can gift this, no you can't gift that."

I still think that forcing players to decide if a purchase is for themselves or is a gift to someone at the time they buy the item would also be a good idea. Make purchased items be non tradeable, unlike "found" items which should be able to be freely traded.

Graywolves · 2011-11-03, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by Higby

Gifting is challenging for a F2P game for one big reason: Fraud.

It's really easy to buy something with stolen credit card info and then send hundreds of items to hundreds of people as "gifts" and then all we can really do is ban all of them for receiving fraudulent items that they might have never asked for or wanted. It's a very challenging problem to solve for free-to-play games. In other countries you can't play the game unless you put in the equivalent of your social security number with your account which makes it a lot less likely to commit fraud, but in the US we can't really do that.

I agree gifting is awesome, and I really want to figure out a way to make it happen for PS2, we've just got some wrinkles to work out.

Provide a premium, subscription or single payment option that allows your account to send and recieve gifts.

SKYeXile · 2011-11-03, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Graywolves

Provide a premium, subscription or single payment option that allows your account to send and recieve gifts.

that does not solve the problem matt highlighted, infact it makes it worse.

Graywolves · 2011-11-03, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Crator

Wow, do people actually spend that much? Going to have to start a MMO anonymous support group! :P

Massive Multiplayer Anonymous (MMA)

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Originally Posted by SKYeXile

that does not solve the problem matt highlighted, infact it makes it worse.

wouldn't the required purchase prevent fraud?

TRex · 2011-11-03, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by Crator

Wow, do people actually spend that much? Going to have to start a MMO anonymous support group! :P

I tried Atlantica online once , and there were idiots spending $2-300 at a time on the newest rng box opening theme crap every month. I remember one guy getting an inheritance share of 2 grand and blowing it all in hopes of getting some stupid rare mount, and never got it . Never underestimate peoples stupidity with ftp, nor the shrewdness to which rmt hackers will go to to exploit these nubs either.

Hamma · 2011-11-03, 05:42 AM

Yea it seems like this could be easily solved with gifting only cosmetic items and not consumables (boosted training rate etc) because they could easily take consumables back.

SKYeXile · 2011-11-03, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Graywolves

Massive Multiplayer Anonymous (MMA)

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wouldn't the required purchase prevent fraud?

no, because they're using a stolen credit card, what's an extra $15cost you if you're using a stolen card?... about 30 seconds to punch in another purchase.

Tikuto · 2011-11-03, 07:04 AM

Only those players who have been playing PlanetSide2 long enough able to Gift. That way they'd be in fear of losing everything they've earned and all money spent on doing that.

I've not thought this through. It just came to me about 30 seconds ago. Any problems with this?

SKYeXile · 2011-11-03, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by Tikuto

Only those players who have been playing PlanetSide2 long enough able to Gift. That way they'd be in fear of losing everything they've earned and all money spent on doing that.

I've not thought this through. It just came to me about 30 seconds ago. Any problems with this?

playing devils advocate again, it faces the same problem, account hacking and then using a stolen credit card.

lets hope SOE don't have anything that's tradeable, keep the farmers and all that shit away from this game.

TRex · 2011-11-03, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

playing devils advocate again, it faces the same problem, account hacking and then using a stolen credit card.

lets hope SOE don't have anything that's tradeable, keep the farmers and all that shit away from this game.

exactly , to quote

If you build it, they will come

~ Field of dreams

CutterJohn · 2011-11-03, 09:30 AM

Umm.. You want farmers. This is a 100% pvp game. If there are farmers... You get to kill them. Bring them on. Should be fun.

Graywolves · 2011-11-03, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

no, because they're using a stolen credit card, what's an extra $15cost you if you're using a stolen card?... about 30 seconds to punch in another purchase.

Isn't that the possibility in subscription games and hacking?

I'm just getting confused because Higby made it sound like the problem was f2p specific.

i'm looking at it from the consumer's perspective. If I pay for the account then my credit card is there. If someone hacks my account or steals my account and gifts it all away then I put in for account recovery and get everything back.

A stolen credit card isn't my concern until my own is stolen or my account is hacked and someone uses a stolen credit card on it.

Maybe Planetside could sell an Authenticator.

LZachariah · 2011-11-03, 01:44 PM

Ah, an authenticator is an interesting idea. I haven't used one myself, but what maybe could happen would be that any player had the option to "purchase the ability to send." This would have a fee associated with it (for the authenticator). Therefore, people who didn't want to bother with buying gifts wouldn't need to get it. I assume that we would only need to confirm that the gift was purchased by legitimate means (rather than the purchaser AND the receiver verifying that everything is legit), so the receiver wouldn't necessarily need an authenticator too.

Not a bad idea, Graywolves.

FIREk · 2011-11-03, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Graywolves

A stolen credit card isn't my concern until my own is stolen or my account is hacked and someone uses a stolen credit card on it.

Whoever the card's owner is, doesn't matter from SOE's perspective. What matters is avoiding having to deal with chargebacks, which are the natural consequence of credit card fraud.

Originally Posted by Graywolves

Maybe Planetside could sell an Authenticator.

How would that help with credit card fraud?

SKYeXile · 2011-11-03, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Umm.. You want farmers. This is a 100% pvp game. If there are farmers... You get to kill them. Bring them on. Should be fun.

Its not so much the farming, sorry i was more refering to the gold trade. what happens is chumps buy gold, they're idiots and use the same email their game account is on, they then use that email to hack the account, or send them scam emails, hack their account and take the gold or virutal currency back.

Ofcourse if there is no trable currency or items, this isnot a problem and we would see little gold farmers in PS2.

Using a stolen credit card is a problem in all games, its worse in freeto play though, because the person could potentially spend thousands.

and higby, i thought "trading cards" were tradable in free realms if i remember correctly?

an authenticator is always a good thing, blizzard has one thats linked with your iphone at no cost. I use one and have never been hacked...clearly it works...