Possibility of Premium Servers for PS2? - Page 3

Xyntech · 2011-12-19, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

they have to buy the game first. then they can try to hack, but they will get caught. and they have to buy the game again if they want to play. if they want to continue to hack they will have to buy a new copy of the game every time they get caught. thats gonna be 40 to 60 a month.

Actually they have indicated (have the confirmed? I can't remember) that it will be completely F2P, as in, no box price. Free to download, free to play. This is where a lot of these worries are coming from.

SKYeXile · 2011-12-19, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Quovatis

Totally disagree with the OP, but I too would prefer at least a small monthly fee. It would keep the kiddies out. That's one thing I enjoyed about PS1 is that most of the playerbase was somewhat mature, unlike other games. The faster pace and free nature of PS2 will likely attract a much younger playerbase. SOE keeps saying they have hacking under control for PS2, and I really hope they do. I'm sure SOE has a better idea on their business model than we do, but for now I'm a little doubtful of how well FTP would work. They've already said you can't buy anything that would give you advantage that you can't earn in the game by other means. So that leave largely cosmetic items, which I don't see how that can sustain a FPS game. Maybe there are far more players out there willing to pay $10 to have a special hat than I think, so maybe I'm completely wrong.

you're completly wrong, i know guys who will drop $200.00 or more on their first day of playing a F2P game without hesitating. people with almost every character and a custom skin brought for most of them in LOL, you have no idea the money people spend.

hell, i think i would have spent maybe $300-400 on world of tanks, i probably spent like $500 on free realms...i like trading cards. no doubt ill spend something linsane on PS2.

Rumblepit · 2011-12-19, 11:38 PM

they are not selling hard copies. digital download. you will still need to pay for it and you will still need a key. this is why gamestop sent out all the notices. why waste all that money making games, shipping it around the world, so on so forth. it makes no since to do this , its a waste of money. put it online , and make people pay to download. save a tone of money and make life easy for everyone.

Zulthus · 2011-12-19, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

they are not selling hard copies. digital download. you will still need to pay for it and you will still need a key. this is why gamestop sent out all the notices. why waste all that money making games, shipping it around the world, so on so forth. it makes no since to do this , its a waste of money. put it online , and make people pay to download. save a tone of money and make life easy for everyone.

Source please

Crator · 2011-12-19, 11:57 PM

As far as digital download initial purchase? I don't think it's been confirmed either way...

SKYeXile · 2011-12-20, 12:54 AM

if its free to play it will be a download........?

Traak · 2011-12-20, 01:07 AM

Remember Sony's number one motive is profit. If they can have 40,000,000 cheaters instead of 39,999,999 non-cheaters, they will most likely go with the cheaters. And make money on the cheat websites, so people are, in effect, paying a subscription to Sony whether they want to or not, but this way, you don't have to pay to play, you just have to pay not to automatically lose.

Sony may be a Japanese company, but SOE in the USA is largely staffed by Americans, and they proved, in PS1, that they would sacrifice anything that the honest players brought to the table to pack in more numbers, and most likely were running Damncheaters.com also, for profit. Occam's razor.

The Japanese way is long-term market share. The American way is quarterly profit reports at the expense of any sane or reasonable long-term goal of any sort.

At least the Japanese had some shred of long-term view. The American devs that used to slither around the server, banning people they just didn't personally like? Very destructive to long-term market-share growth.

If Planetside started being run with 20-year market share in mind, instead of "let my kids cheat, because I work for Sony" and "Ban anyone who proves I'm an idiot in global" and other such community-raping moves, then it would have the correct mindset to actually fluorish.

Absent a view to long-term growth, and with the short term cash-cow mentality, PS2 will fall flat on its face, but faster this time, because many of us have had a belly full of cheaters running the game, and ruining the game, and won't wait 8 years to quit.

It's really up to Sony. Devs with character and dedication to protect the community from scum? Or devs who are scum who are cheaters themselves, who ignore people defining what cheating is, like JPMonr0e, while banning much better people for cussing twice on global.

Sony has to step up their game, and quit hiring and allowing scum to reign, with no recourse, no accountability, and no tracking of their "behaviors."

If they are willing to invest the money to make things happen right, instead of saying "OMGzzzz, we can't hire more then one dev, because that might cost money" and, as a result, losing hundreds of thousands of users, they can spend the time and money to rape the cheaters, and prosecute them, impaling them along the side of the road, leaving their avatars to rot in the Auraxian suns.

I, for one, would LOVE to see, LOVE TO SEE that. Cheaters not just BANNED, but their avatars impaled along the roads of Auraxis, with a sign over their head, explaining the cheat or offense, slowly rotting away until there was just an empty uniform hanging on the stake. Might serve as a warning to others. Or a motivation to cheat for some, come to think of it!

Instead of their name, they could be assigned a random number, so no boasting or whining could occur. Perhaps a panel on the pole would show a video of them in their most egregious cheating action in video, like the video of the NC guy who was running around Auraxis on Youtube,

I mean, Sony, either get it right this time or just don't do it at all.

CutterJohn · 2011-12-20, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by Quovatis

It would keep the kiddies out.

Will being F2P keep elitists out? If so I'm sold on it.

Fate · 2011-12-20, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Will being F2P keep elitists out? If so I'm sold on it.

If you can find a P2P game without elitists then don't tell anyone. Else, there will always be someone better than you who will run their mouth. Learn to live with it, or move on.There will always be the leetfits, the zergfits, and the KOJ's, DS's, and TRx's in any version of PlanetSide.

Sifer2 · 2011-12-20, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

Just an FYI, DC Universe online does utilize paid subscriptions along with F2P subs all on the same server... SOE is probably going to do something similiar....

DCUO Gameplans: http://www.dcuniverseonline.com/free/

Interesting link there. Since reading that almost spells it out for me how Pay 2 Win will work once its clear selling hats isn't paying the bills. I would guess something like:

Free: Can use 1 weapon and 1 tool(medkit,hack device). Cannot use MAX armor or drive any vehicle except ATV.

Premium: Can use 2 weapons and 1 tool. Can use MAX and all Vehicles but cannot customize their loadout.

Legendary: Can use 2 weapons and 2 tools plus get a Sidearm. Can use MAX and all Vehicles plus customize their loadouts. Such as putting anti-air gun on your tank.

Or am I just not putting enough faith into SOE on this one you think? Really its not even a matter of faith I think its just economics. As much money as they are spending on this game judging by its awesome graphics. To give all that away for free without even making profit from box sales? There had better be a lot of people with a hat fetish that play this.

Some mentioned League of Legends. But I doubt that game took a tenth of the same budget Planetside 2 will cost to produce and operate.

Crator · 2011-12-20, 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Sifer2

Some mentioned League of Legends. But I doubt that game took a tenth of the same budget Planetside 2 will cost to produce and operate.

Not to mention that LoL is a MOBA game, not a FPS...

Shogun · 2011-12-20, 02:01 PM

on the free to download or paid download question:

matt mentioned here in the forums, in a thread about hacking protection, that they are working hard to adress the problem, that a banned hacker could just create a new account and hack again. (too lazy to search for this post)

this implies that the game would be free to download.

best way to get the masses in, and to have the scale ps2 deserves, but i am still for a small account activation fee(at least)

maybe every bought activation gets 2 free buddy keys. but if one of those keys was used by a hacker, all three keys get banned. would help to spread the game, without the danger of everybody posting his keys and hackers to abuse them.

SKYeXile · 2011-12-20, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Shogun

maybe every bought activation gets 2 free buddy keys. but if one of those keys was used by a hacker, all three keys get banned. would help to spread the game, without the danger of everybody posting his keys and hackers to abuse them.

yea...no. one person should not be held accoutable for another persons actions.

This isn't SOE's first F2P BBQ, im sure they have already figured it out.

Rumblepit · 2011-12-20, 05:19 PM

i really hope they are not leaning toward free to download. this will bring massive waves of hackers into the game. there is no way to stop a person from making a new account. you IP ban them , they will change their IP. they will be right back hacking in game in a matter of mins.

there was talk a year ago about new hacking prevention programs that detect hardware IPS and ban players that way. this means you get caught hacking you have to buy a new video card. but i dont know if it was ever implemented in any games.

knowing that the devs play this game as much as we do gives me some hope that they wont make this mistake.because im sure they know as much as we know what the outcome will be.

SKYeXile · 2011-12-20, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sifer2

Interesting link there. Since reading that almost spells it out for me how Pay 2 Win will work once its clear selling hats isn't paying the bills. I would guess something like:

Free: Can use 1 weapon and 1 tool(medkit,hack device). Cannot use MAX armor or drive any vehicle except ATV.

Premium: Can use 2 weapons and 1 tool. Can use MAX and all Vehicles but cannot customize their loadout.

Legendary: Can use 2 weapons and 2 tools plus get a Sidearm. Can use MAX and all Vehicles plus customize their loadouts. Such as putting anti-air gun on your tank.

Or am I just not putting enough faith into SOE on this one you think? Really its not even a matter of faith I think its just economics. As much money as they are spending on this game judging by its awesome graphics. To give all that away for free without even making profit from box sales? There had better be a lot of people with a hat fetish that play this.

Some mentioned League of Legends. But I doubt that game took a tenth of the same budget Planetside 2 will cost to produce and operate.

You really think that SOE plan to make money ONLY off selling cosmetic upgrades? They're not fucking stupid.

you can gurintee there willbe an optional sub with benifits, its in most F2P game and every SOE F2P game, you can gurintee its going to be in PS2. They have also said they like the LOL model, which is: pay for it now, or play for it.