I disagree with how they're handling beta invites. - Page 2

VioletZero · 2012-03-05, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mastachief

Bollocks. Violentzero, have you even played the original game?

I don't see what this has to do with the thread.

EDIT: Upon re-reading the thread. I realize that the wording might have singled out fans too much.

What I am saying is that one background shouldn't dominate the feedback. It's similar to the issue of baby boomers in the U.S. dominating the voice in government and resulting in bills like SOPA.

Graywolves · 2012-03-05, 07:23 PM

Wether you agree with it or not. Veterans are more ready and more likely to bring the game to the limits than others. Newcomers need to overcome a larger learning curve and discover how the game works.

A game like Planetside 2 is very different from other MMOs and FPS games.

As beta progresses, we will get more newcomers in. The PS2 team is probably a little more intelligent than to let the game drift whatever way other people tell them to.

Mastachief · 2012-03-05, 07:24 PM

A lot.

You are forming opinions based on no actual experience of the planetside world in action. This is planetside2 you are correct, however it is still planetside.

How do you expect new to the franchise testers to have proper bearing on the games beta development when they have never played a game like this. It is after all unique.

Weapons, vehicles, hacking mechanics are based on engagements involving hundreds of players (not 32 Vs 32) only the planetside veterans have experience of this. Lots of us having near a decade of said experience.

The veterans should have overall priority to all others.

Raymac · 2012-03-05, 07:25 PM

Plus, VioletZero, your logic is supremely flawed. If the developers were taking fan input as the end all be all gospel of what is the absolute best thing, they would have done away with classes, and changed tank drivers gunning, etc. etc.

The devs aren't just mindless robots that just take our input and put it directly into the game. They use their brains and their own vision along with our feedback.

ThGlump · 2012-03-05, 07:27 PM

Worst that can happen is that beta will be filled with ppl that prefer bf/cod, and warp ps2 to that direction with their feedback.
Even with major changes to game pace, weapons, classes, core gameplay of planetside is the same. You need feedback from ppl who are familiar with that gameplay to give proper feedback, not turn something down because new players dont understand whats planetside about.

If you want completely different game, dont call it planetside.

Aurmanite · 2012-03-05, 07:27 PM

There is hardly consensus among veteran Planetside players. Just look at some of the threads here.

Planetside 2 isn't a majorly anticipated title like say, Diablo 3. In the beginning, until things get rolling, veterans and people who otherwise are aware of Planetside are going to make up the bulk of people in the beta. People like us will be necessary to actually take up spots.

You can't give the beta to people who didn't sign up for it.

VioletZero · 2012-03-05, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Raymac

Plus, VioletZero, your logic is supremely flawed. If the developers were taking fan input as the end all be all gospel of what is the absolute best thing, they would have done away with classes, and changed tank drivers gunning, etc. etc.

The devs aren't just mindless robots that just take our input and put it directly into the game. They use their brains and their own vision along with our feedback.

Maybe I didn't bring this fact across, but I trust the developers not to let fans drive the game in a certain direction.

I'm less worried about it being driven towards one direction and more worried that certain issues that particularly affect newcomers to the franchise will go unnoticed for too long and by the time it is found out in later stages of the beta, it is too late to fix before launch.

SuperMorto · 2012-03-05, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by VioletZero

I don't see what this has to do with the thread.

EDIT: Upon re-reading the thread. I realize that the wording might have singled out fans too much.

What I am saying is that one background shouldn't dominate the feedback. It's similar to the issue of baby boomers in the U.S. dominating the voice in government and resulting in bills like SOPA.

He has a point violet. Notice anything about these 2 names:

Planetside
Planetside 2

they have something in common. but if they looked like this your thread might get a better response.

Planetside
(NOT PLANETSIDE)

Fact is, Planetside 2 is Planetside just more modern. It should be as close to the original as possible without "being the original" and without limiting new features. It should be PS1 on roids!

Another lil bit by me.

Morto.

VioletZero · 2012-03-05, 07:35 PM

I just think that if we hope to attract newcomers, we need to give newcomers ample time to play the beta and formulate a good opinion of the game from someone who hasn't played Planetside.

UnknownDT · 2012-03-05, 07:36 PM

You haven't played PS1?

I don't think I need to know anything else. Goodbye Thread.

Aurmanite · 2012-03-05, 07:38 PM

This community has a really bad habit of blowing this game out of proportion, building it up and anointing it some mythic status. It was just a shooter. The learning curve was not all that high unless perhaps you were very young and Planetside was your first MMO.

Bad feedback is bad feedback no matter if it comes from a veteran or a new player. Once the beta begins we will have a sense of how the devs handle feedback. They are the experts in game design, we are not. I imagine they will be keeping that in mind.

Graywolves · 2012-03-05, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by VioletZero

I just think that if we hope to attract newcomers, we need to give newcomers ample time to play the beta and formulate a good opinion of the game from someone who hasn't played Planetside.

They would be playing an unfinished game with poor knowledge of its direction.

ThGlump · 2012-03-05, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by VioletZero

I just think that if we hope to attract newcomers, we need to give newcomers ample time to play the beta and formulate a good opinion of the game from someone who hasn't played Planetside.

And best to attract them is to play with veterans so they see how game can be different. Its mostly about gamers. If they play it like any other mindless shooter, ignoring core mechanics and only play it to shoot somebody, thats not what newcomers should see. Thats what would scare them away as it would be same as any other game.

Xaine · 2012-03-05, 07:44 PM

What you're saying certainly has merit, but by and large the PS1 vets are experienced MMO/FPS gamers and are also a fair bit older than the average MMO crowd. I'm probably one of the younger people here at 21, most other people are a bit older as they probably played PS1 when they were my age now.

With that older/more experienced player base comes the virtue of, well, having an older/more experienced player base. I think we're all smart enough to see what works, what doesn't, and what needs changing. We're not going to start throwing our toys out of the pram because it isn't exactly like PS1.

What you're saying could certainly be an issue, but i have faith in the PS1 vets to be more rational than your average bunch of MMO players.

Hamma · 2012-03-05, 07:45 PM

Honestly im sure there will be an open beta phase. Eventually everyone will get a chance to play it in beta I don't think when you get in makes any difference.