I disagree with how they're handling beta invites. - Page 5

VioletZero · 2012-03-05, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

So we shouldn't be allowed in beta because we played the first?

ARe you retarded?

No, you should definitely get in the beta. Just not given special priority.

Eyeklops · 2012-03-05, 09:39 PM

Ohh, and while I am here. If SOE did a poll about ironsights & quick knife, and 500 screaming PS1 vets rage and stomp about them being put into the game, but a large majority of the COF/MOH/BF crowd (which will outnumber us by a large margin) say they love them, guess what? Business is business, and we will lose. That is life. Adapt and move on.

Graywolves · 2012-03-05, 09:39 PM

This thread feels like "My demographic doesn't have priority so I'm disapoint."

Guild Wars 2 had a time when people were saying the true fans weren't getting into beta and that they shouldn't be doing press exclusive period.

Turned out they did have some GW1 players but obviously they couldn't share from NDA (informed from blue post on forums in a thread like this)

As stated in the Tales of Tyria podcast that they were talking about this. If priority was given to anyone else, we'd be having the same conversation from another point of view.

This has little to do with the Beta itself. More to do with "Me" not having priority over "them"

Warborn · 2012-03-05, 09:42 PM

I actually agree that Planetside 1 veterans should not get priority. The last thing we need is for their beta forums or whatever to be clogged with a million threads cumulatively demanding the game be turned into a prettier version of Planetside 1. They could do worse things than distance themselves from the people who liked the original. Anyone who managed to play a game that bad for as long as some of us did are clearly brain damaged.

Bags · 2012-03-05, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by VioletZero

No, you should definitely get in the beta. Just not given special priority.

We're not being given special priority.

Whalenator · 2012-03-05, 09:44 PM

Warborn you're typing angrily again

Hamma · 2012-03-05, 09:46 PM

Let's try to discuss in this thread without ripping eachothers heads off mkay?

Bags · 2012-03-05, 09:52 PM

Oh yes, the players are the reason planetside 1 died. It was our fault it got almost no support~

Eyeklops · 2012-03-05, 09:56 PM

And while I am at it. For all the people against a "region lock" because "I can't play wit my friends and I am afraid to make new ones, boo hoo, snif, cry, moan." Learn to make new friends. Do you really think newcomers will appreciate the degradation in game play because of the lag? Hell no, you will see pro write up's about "its fun, but the lag is bad compared to moh/cod/bf..bla bla bla." "died around a corner bla bla bla."

The merging of the US and EU servers was a HUGE, GREEDY mistake for this reason alone. When the pops got that low they should have just shut down PS1 and started hyping people for PS2. Now we have these babies crying about the region lock and actively working to make the gameplay WORSE.

If you REALLY loved the game and wanted to make sure it was a GOOD PLAYING GAME, you might think "I am going to miss playing with some of my old buddies, but it does make a better FIRST PERSON SHOOTER game when people play on the right server."

You can all hate me and flame me for this, but it's my opinion.

EVILPIG · 2012-03-05, 09:56 PM

The original post is nothing but speculation. You do not know how they will handle Beta, who will get in when nor how much Planetside experience they have.

I will say that this Planetside team is mostly fresh faces who have a fresh perspective on building a MMOFPS. They are not looking to recreate Planetside, but build a modern experience based on Planetside's genre.

Mightymouser · 2012-03-05, 09:59 PM

I'm just going to copy my response to this same 'problem' from the PC Gamer thread from weeks ago; since it's basically the same issue:

Originally Posted by Me

Originally Posted by etheral

Originally Posted by Zhane

You've got balls to talk about ego. You think that a PS1 player's opinion should be given more weight than the unwashed masses? That's the thought process I see here. A different feedback path? My God. You really think a lot of yourself. Self important dicks give forum communities a bad rap.

Everyone's feedback is equal. Because you played a decade old game has no bearing on your ability to properly test a new one. Your opinion matters exactly as much as everyone else who may spend money on PS2. They're doing you a favor and stroking your little ego by ensuring you get in along with everyone else. You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake and you are no more qualified to test and give feedback than anyone else.

And that's coming from a PS1 vet, for the record.

This absolutely needed to be said. This community is great, but the sense of entitlement some people have here is really starting to get on my nerves.

For the record: Soe/the PS2 Dev team dont owe you ANYTHING. You paid for PS1, possibly for many years, fair enough. But you havent paid so much as a penny for PS2. You are entitled to nothing but what SOE chooses to give you. It sucks, but there you are

From a 'what we're owed' stand point I'd agree. I don't think anyone (worth listening to) is actually claiming we have some legal right to special treatment in PS2. On the other hand, in terms of ability to play test the game, and understand it's particulars, long time PS players certainly have insights which non-PS players likely do not. I'm not saying that every PS1-vet's feedback should outweigh any non-vet's feedback; rather I'm noting that there are many players from PS1 who have a great deal better understanding of how the only game like PS2 (i.e., PS1) works, than someone off the street. Also, long time vets have proven a devotion to the game which is important when considering a playtester's feedback. Many playtesters play the beta and never even buy the released game; these folks shouldn't be determining the style of the game for die-hard PS players who have proven a devotion to the PS franchise.

Yes, PS2 is going to be different from PS1; however, since the latter is largely based off the former, it's reasonable to assume there are going to be many overlapping areas. Therefore it is certainly reasonable to say that veteran PS1 players will have greater insight into how PS2 should be developed. I'd draw an equivalency to two CR5's arguing over how a fight should go in PS1; one who is a multi-year veteran CR5, and the other who just got his backpack. The older CR5 likely has a much greater understanding of how the fight will progress, and can foresee how certain events will unfold much better than the new CR5. I think that same idea can carry over to the new game, in that older vets can look at a situation and have a better idea how that situation will work out in the long run, as opposed to someone who has only played standard FPSes (or standard MMORPGs). Obviously, you get good players and bad in both cases; but I think on the whole, long time PS1 vets are more likely to provide insightful feedback.

All of that said; we don't really know what they're going to do until they tell us more, so we'll just have to wait and see...

The point is: While it does not seem likely the PS1 vets are going to be given much 'Priority' over other people with beta keys; if such a priority did indeed exist, there would be an understandable reason for it. We better understand the game and it's context; we can (likely) better predict various situations, and make (often) better suggestions for balance and changes. As for PS1 players not being about to appropriately gauge the newbee-friendliness of the game; PS2 is going to be a new game to all of us, we'll all have new things we need to learn in the game...

That said; there can be no doubt there will be more people in the beta throughout it's run than PS1 vets available to fill all the slots; all voices will be heard, never fear...

Warborn · 2012-03-05, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by IDukeNukeml

Edit: Nevermind, we didn't agree on shit.

You're a fucking Troll. You have too much hate in your life dude. Go jack off.

This isn't a troll. I'm serious. I think PS1 players are so set in their thinking that this game should be like PS1 it would be problematic to have them given any sort of central position in beta testing. I genuinely believe that there are too many PS1 players so obstinate in their aversion to stuff that is different from PS1 that the entire demographic would cause more of a hassle than they'd contribute. I'm sorry you don't agree with me, but that doesn't mean I'm a "fucking Troll" (capitalized? really), it just means you disagree with my position.

Originally Posted by Whalenator

Warborn you're typing angrily again

Oooh these fingers just can't contain their anger! Careful now!