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Old 2003-03-05, 10:38 AM   [Ignore Me] #31
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Also the buggy the tank is shooting at has moved a wee bit as well. Fast shots yes.

I am gonna have to agree with Carl, I to was under the impression that the NC had the heavest armor in the game.
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Old 2003-03-05, 10:45 AM   [Ignore Me] #32
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The Vanguard description dosn't even mention heavy armor, it stops at solid... Vanguard is also classified as a medium tank on the official page.. While theres no official description of the Prowler, there is a article out that has the word for word (well pretty damn close) description of the Vanguard in and a description of the Prowler, can assume that the articles description of the Prowler is pretty accurate from that and that article mentions the prowler as heavily armored....

Linked to the article in a previous post.
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Old 2003-03-05, 11:47 AM   [Ignore Me] #33
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I have seen movies of the tanks firing and the shells move like 2.5-3 times as fast as a lightning can go.
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Old 2003-03-05, 12:36 PM   [Ignore Me] #34
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We have yet to see exactly how fast the Mag-Rider is, Zatrais. It just may (since balance is everything) fast enough, in the hands of a skilled driver who can mix it up, be fast enough to dodge tank shells at medium-to-long range (especially since none of these weapons are insta-hit).
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Old 2003-03-05, 12:37 PM   [Ignore Me] #35
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the Mag-riders ability to strafe is actually great. just like the thresher. yes they both do lose better turning but its ok, they are faster.
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Old 2003-03-05, 01:22 PM   [Ignore Me] #36
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I agree with Zatrais on the tank issue. Prowler has high ROF and highest armor. Vanguard has medium mobility, hefty fireepower and medium armor. Mag-Rider has low armor, high mobility medium firepower.
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Old 2003-03-05, 01:25 PM   [Ignore Me] #37
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well you can't assume it's going to be Prowler vs Vanguard vs Magrider

in modern manuever warfare you'll need mobility. For this, I'd hate to say the VS would have the upper hand. Being able to coordinate your battalion for flanking is very important. However, this is in a free-for-all battle...if you take a handful of tanks from 2 of the Empires and pit them together, it changes everything...

- VS vs NC would lean toward VS since they have the mobility card. If the NC misses with their single large cannon, it gives the VS more time to whittle down their armor

- VS vs TR would favor the TR since even if the VS can avoid a few shots, there is no way they'll be able to avoid the sheer ROF of the Prowler's dual-rifles. Also, I'm thining the VS has the weakest cannon, again giving the Prowler another advantage

- TR vs NC kinda perplexes me. I'm thinking the heavy armor of the Prowler and the heavy firepower of the Vanguard cancel each other out, but again the ROF advantage of the TR gives it the upper hand. I'm not too sure

Again this changes even more when you factor in infantry and buggies. I will certainly always bring a few support vehicles to aid my tanks in battle.

- NC buggy gives heavy firepower against the other tanks with mobility aswell, thus evening out the NC vs VS battle

- TR and VS buggies add capability that fills out the shortcomings of the tanks

In conclusion, if I ever command, I'll be sure to have my own buggies (grenade launchers and HMG's, oh my!) to clear out the enemy buggies, and then use the grenade launchers to be a stinging gnat to the enemy tanks. Mwa hahaha, I love the TR!
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Old 2003-03-05, 01:38 PM   [Ignore Me] #38
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Once the devs have finished tweaking the game, you will not (with any shred of logic) be able to favor any one side in any kind of fight. They are striving for total balance of overall fighting ability, just in different categories of strengths. I applaud the devs for that, as that is one huge job to balance mobility/armor/variety/versitility/firepower/ROF/specialization/manuverablility/range/quality vs. quantity/the list goes on.
That is said with totally unbiased opinion.

That being said,
That is said with my biased opinion.

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Old 2003-03-05, 02:13 PM   [Ignore Me] #39
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Everybody here seems to be forgetting one thing : we haven't played yet.

Point is we can't say "oh in a 1 on 1 combat the Vanguard will totally kick the Mag-rider's ass" we don't know what's the difference of armor,speed and firepower between each tank. Maybe the vanguard has 3 times more armor and firepower than the mag-rider. Maybe it only has � more. We have no clue.
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Old 2003-03-05, 03:34 PM   [Ignore Me] #40
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i'm interested in how effective the 20mm cannon on the vanguard is against infantry. splash size/dmg and RoF is of concern.

any ideas/opinions?
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Old 2003-03-05, 04:28 PM   [Ignore Me] #41
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The Prowler had 2 100mm cannons and duel 12mm cannons with heavy armour. So even if it misses and takes a hit, it still had that other 100mm waiting to fire, assuming you didn't fire them both.

I think it will all depend on the ability for the driver and gunner to work cooperatively.
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Old 2003-03-05, 04:40 PM   [Ignore Me] #42
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Why we discuss a game we havn't played?

Cause Theoryside whit the current info is all we got damnit... i want beta!
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Old 2003-03-05, 06:03 PM   [Ignore Me] #43
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I would love to put down my treatise on tanks right now, but I have to go to work.

Taking from the Germans in WW2, one thing is known. Air superiority is the key to winning with tanks. Period, end of story, no debate. Let's assume that the air superiority (read=skill) is the same for all the empires, then the VS buggy is going down first, the Vanguard second and the TR third due to armor. The NC have a TOW missile for anti-air, and each empire has an AntiAir Max loadout they can use.

I personally am going TR. The rest of you can go whatever you want, but just keep an eye on the sky as I tell my friends to blow you away.

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Old 2003-03-05, 06:52 PM   [Ignore Me] #44
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Originally posted by Tobias
No, I dont have a reason, and I dont need one. And If I did have a reason I would lie and say I didnt, for if I had a reason it would prove that the design was flawed, but it is Vanu and thus that can not be. Stop with your questions.
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Old 2003-03-05, 07:17 PM   [Ignore Me] #45
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Yap yap yap, that's all I see here. I'll keep it sweet and short.

- NC tank has the most fire power.

- TR tank has the best armour.

- VS tank has the most manuverability.

Thay all have there own seperate trait, making them no better or no worse then the others.

Thank-you.
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