Gameplay: MAX crush?

Kriegson · 2012-06-01, 11:18 PM

Just a thought, assuming it's not in already or planned. I know people are vehemently against quick-knifing, and frankly I agree.
But I would find it very strange if a MAX was unable to crush puny humans with it's hand/lobster claws as they circle strafed around it in close proximity.

Thus my suggestion: MAX crush. At the range of a few feet the MAX can sweep one of it's massive arms in a blow that will do massive damage to infantry and even some modest damage/disruption to vehicles.

Maybe later on, it could actually have a little animation where the Max grabs a person and slams them to the ground/crushes them in it's grip/shoots it with the other weapon/etc.

Zekeen · 2012-06-01, 11:30 PM

I wouldn't be apposed to this. I think a MAX needs a sort of heavy melee, just makes sense.

Aldman · 2012-06-01, 11:51 PM

Oooh, the melee Max! One chainsaw and one lobster claw covered with smaller chainsaws!

On a more serious note, I think that this would need to be an ability requiring the Max to pause or 'dig-in' before initiating, in order to give infantry a small chance to jump out of the way. Of course, in a crowded corridor, there might be no escape!

Gonefshn · 2012-06-01, 11:57 PM

how could a VS max pic someone up with no hands?

Secondly, I said this before in a very similar thread.
With faster TTK and the powerful weapons on a MAX when will an infantry ever be that close to you. You should have shot them long before that point. your not going to able to survive in front of a MAX in the open much less 5 feet away you'll be dead way to quick.the only time someone will get close is from behind and this ability wont even work when people are behind you anyways.

Zekeen · 2012-06-01, 11:59 PM

Originally Posted by Gonefshn

how could a VS max pic someone up with no hands

http://www.planetside-universe.com/m...fb9c079ab4.jpg

The claws are guns over the hands.

Gonefshn · 2012-06-02, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by Zekeen

http://www.planetside-universe.com/m...fb9c079ab4.jpg

The claws are guns over the hands.

so it puts down the guns? my point stands.

GhettoPrince · 2012-06-02, 12:30 AM

It's power armor, I don't think you should be able to melee in it , you have the strength, but you just don't have the reflexes or the speed.

I like the idea of MAX charging into someone for damage, cause it's so easy to sidestep if you see it coming, but as for the rest, you already have flamethrowers.

Purple · 2012-06-02, 02:46 AM

the issue with a max melee is that it takes away one of the biggest disadvantages of the max. a LA can run around and shoot it in its back unless the max has support to keep that from happening.

PlaceboCyanide · 2012-06-02, 11:23 AM

Shoulder-Slam for maxes, they have so much mass it would deliver the desired effect. It would also be far easier to code/animate. Another possible solution might be certification/attachment to MAX weapons ala Gears of War.

With the new infiltrator stealth this could be a real threat for maxes separated from a group. Something should be done to mitigate that, unless this is an intended achilles heel of the max they want to leave in.

Kriegson · 2012-06-02, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by Purple

the issue with a max melee is that it takes away one of the biggest disadvantages of the max. a LA can run around and shoot it in its back unless the max has support to keep that from happening.

The disadvantage of the MAX isn't the lack of an attack that only effects an area directly in front of it, in a very short range. =/
You can still circle strafe a MAX, but you just have to stay behind or to the side of it. But being caught dead in front of a MAX should be as much a death sentence as being in front of a tank or aircraft barreling down in your direction.

Originally Posted by Gonefshn

how could a VS max pic someone up with no hands?

Secondly, I said this before in a very similar thread.
With faster TTK and the powerful weapons on a MAX when will an infantry ever be that close to you. You should have shot them long before that point. your not going to able to survive in front of a MAX in the open much less 5 feet away you'll be dead way to quick.the only time someone will get close is from behind and this ability wont even work when people are behind you anyways.

As I said, the initial concept would simply be a powerful if ungraceful sweep of their arm. Figuring out how the VS have a more animated crush would be something we could work out later. Perhaps it might have something unnerving like articulated spines that extend from the armature to stab the target?

The exact same argument can be made about tanks. Do you think tanks shouldn't be able to run people over?

Gonefshn · 2012-06-02, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Kriegson

The exact same argument can be made about tanks. Do you think tanks shouldn't be able to run people over?

That's not true at all a MAX and a tank are totally different things. Tanks can't go inside and are manned by multiple people it's a totally different game space your talking about.

mirwalk · 2012-06-02, 05:13 PM

interesting idea. Might need to be a weapon, like a melee arm. Give up one of the two slots for the availability. Might have to include a short range dash or jump to cover some melee distance

Kriegson · 2012-06-02, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Gonefshn

That's not true at all a MAX and a tank are totally different things. Tanks can't go inside and are manned by multiple people it's a totally different game space your talking about.

With faster TTK and the powerful weapons on a MAX when will an infantry ever be that close to you. You should have shot them long before that point. your not going to able to survive in front of a MAX in the open much less 5 feet away you'll be dead way to quick.the only time someone will get close is from behind and this ability wont even work when people are behind you anyways.

This is what I was referring to. Same argument can be made for tanks, as you have made for MAX's.

Furthermore, tanks now have the driver also gunning (so one person crew is quite feasible) and a number of structures from towers to certain bases have MASSIVE areas in which vehicles can function and fight within.

You are either uninformed, ignorant, or trolling if you think that you cannot compare two at all.

@mirwalk
I disagree, especially when it comes to any kind of mobility. Akin to smacking a person with your rifle butt, whalloping them with the actuated arm of your Mechanized suit should be simple and effective.

GhettoPrince · 2012-06-02, 09:18 PM

I think an infiltrator should be a threat to ANY ground unit thats been seperated from its group, they are the wolves of planetside, and with no more vehicle jacking they kind of lose their agent of chaos role.

Talek Krell · 2012-06-02, 09:38 PM

They confirmed that there was a MAX melee of some sort. My suspicion is that it would be a forward sweep with a knockback effect and light-moderate damage. Intended more to create space than deal damage.