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Gortha · 2003-03-15, 10:14 AM

yeah @ Zatrais u are right.

I don �t wanted to say that the past is unnessesary.

MrVicchio · 2003-03-15, 10:56 AM

Gortha, I am not one to lie, and he did do all as I said. He has told me things about WWII you wont read in the average history books. He doesn't mind talking about Normandy or the Buldge battle, but only twice has he talked about Austwich in my presence, and even then, it was hard for him.

War sucks, I know this, but on the flip side, Some wars are needed. WWII sadly, could have been averted had France not pushed to punish Germany so harshly... WWII could have been far less then it was had Europe went to war with germany for breaking the Treaty of Versaille instead of giving them a pass.. but they didn't... speaking of not going to war cause a country isn't following a cease fire/treaty...

mistled · 2003-03-15, 11:04 AM

Gortha, is your goal in life to insult people in the US, or do all of your fellow Germans hate you so you have to stay in the house and this is all you can find to do??

Confectrix · 2003-03-15, 11:53 AM

Zatrais,

The Inquisition "is usually meant a special ecclesiastical institutional for combating or suppressing heresy. Its characteristic mark seems to be the bestowal on special judges of judicial powers in matters of faith, and this by supreme ecclesiastical authority, not temporal or for individual cases, but as a universal and permanent office." - JOSEPH BL�TZER

Never was the Inquisition made with the inention of exterminating a race. Yes; some individuals had bad intentions but the idea was noble in its origin.

Gentlemen:

Let us not hope that a WWIII has to come along to unite our peoples once again. Disagreements are fine. Gossip/detractions/insults are not. Let us have a level of professionalism.

�io · 2003-03-15, 11:53 AM

I just wish people would stop all the H8.

Stop the h8 and

dammit, god damn fucking

!!!

Gortha · 2003-03-15, 11:55 AM

@ MrVicchio

i think u mean Auschwitz a Konzentrationslager (KZ) in East-Germany. Austwich is missspelled.

And believe me i know enough about WWII as a german.

A War at Iraq is no need.
But for your Oil-Barons it seems to be a need.

@{BOHICA}mistled

Who I did insult?

But thx for flames Msitled.... nice

Gortha

Zatrais · 2003-03-15, 11:57 AM

The intents and purposes of the inquesition means shit, it dosn't change the fact that it was the first "extermination" of the **** that would not give up their heritage and convert.

The idea of the inquesition was never of noble origins, the whole idea of it, once you look past the pretty words was to exterminate every religion in europe but christianity.

Confectrix · 2003-03-15, 11:57 AM

Gortha:

I want proof for your remarks. Where in an policy document has the US stated it is going after the oil in Iraq.

I have policy documents stating otherwise.

Confectrix · 2003-03-15, 11:58 AM

Zat:

THe intentions of its creation were noble. Did it live up to its end? No. Sadly.

Zatrais · 2003-03-15, 12:00 PM

I for one don't think the intents where noble at all, supressing somones belifs are not noble.

Confectrix · 2003-03-15, 12:03 PM

Suppresing one's beliefs; no. But when one is Catholic and that individual spreads error within the Church; the individual must be reprimanded at the least and at most excommunicated.

We still do it today. Take for example when one has an abortion. The scandel is too great for the church. The member is immedialty excommunicated. A priest can give local absolution [bishop does not need to be involved] from the excommunication but by definition they are out. [canon 5141]

KoldFusion · 2003-03-15, 12:04 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gortha
It is a pitty to read so much nonsense in this tread.

No one of u died at ohama beach.

The Americans entered the Zweiten Weltkrieg (WWII) becouse for fear of the Russians could take whole Europe....

Yeah the USA helped the Allies in this time to liberate france and other nations. But the french helped u enough too.

Who was fighting for "YOU" in Vietnam first... the frenchmen!

France was taken and conquered by the Germans.... the Iraq never attacked your country. This is the point.
You are talking about two absolute different things.

France is goin the right way like most other nations with good Leaders, they don�t crouch in US-Administrations ass.

Do not talk and think about the past. Take care of the future. And don�t make the same foults the Germans did with their leadership. Propaganda.... read this:

Part1:

http://www.systranlinks.com/systran/...n_f=1047475303

Part2:

http://www.systranlinks.com/systran/...n_f=1047475430

Gortha [/QUOTEWe were in vietnam to stop the fall of indochina to the communist AFTER ww2.... However your point is flawed....the french had been trying to take indochina for themselves for years and years (colonization)..... they were not there fighting for us. We first became intrested in indochina when japanese started to invade there in WW2 and we were at war with japan. After WW2 there was the Chinese revolution to communism and Ho Chi Minh started communism in what is known as N. Vietnam. The french were at war with Ho Chi Minh and asked us for help b/c they wanted to keep indochina. this isn't a history lesson I could go on forever.... If you want the book title I can give it to you when i get home.... I currently enrolled in a vietnam course.

ALL:

The reason the french are bitter right now is because they are still upset about vietnam. Right or Wrong.

KrazyJester · 2003-03-15, 12:07 PM

probably true WHR_Kold

Lexington_Steele · 2003-03-15, 12:53 PM

Originally posted by Confectrix
Gortha:

I want proof for your remarks. Where in an policy document has the US stated it is going after the oil in Iraq.

I have policy documents stating otherwise.

I went over this in another thread. But Iwill repeat it here in case you missed it.

The US government is playing politics.
The US government has nothing to gain by saying that oil is a motivation for war.

The US has something to lose if they say the war is for oil. Such a statement would be used by political opponents,,of the US, to make it look like the US wants war for immoral reasons.

This is why you will never hear the US government declare that oil is one of the motivations for the war with Iraq.

Lexington_Steele · 2003-03-15, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Gortha
France is goin the right way like most other nations with good Leaders, they don�t crouch in US-Administrations ass.

That is garbage. It seems to me that France opposes a war because of it's own economic interests in Iraq. France has had a friendly relationship with Saddam for a long time.

In fact, France has the promise of the largets post saction era oil deal of any country in the world.

You argue that THE US's primary interest in the war is oil. I can create a similar, if not better, argument saying that France's motivations against war are primarily for oil.

I don't see how you can see the US's motivations as greedy while at the same time see France as altruistic.