NC Corporate Involvement. - Page 4

archaonn · 2012-06-12, 03:04 PM

I like how all 3 factions have pros and cons in their lore. I chose NC beacuse I think my self as an anarchist, but I dont agree with the corporations philosophy. I think when you choose one of the three factions youll need to deal with the fact that theres something that you arent going to like.

pd: Im definitley going to do some guerrilla warfare out there in the battlefield.

Red Beard · 2012-06-12, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by archaonn

I like how all 3 factions have pros and cons in their lore. I chose NC beacuse I think my self as an anarchist, but I dont agree with the corporations philosophy. I think when you choose one of the three factions youll need to deal with the fact that theres something that you arent going to like.

pd: Im definitley going to do some guerrilla warfare out there in the battlefield.

The union of government and freedom is self-government!

Ratstomper · 2012-06-12, 05:50 PM

I think the modern climate has given corporations a bad name. Think of corporations that don't necessarily follow "profit", SpaceX being one off the top of my head. Paypay really took off, but Elon Musk's other companies (Tesla Motors and SpaceX) nearly went bankrupt multiple times. It was a big risk to take and, for all intents and purposes, he seems to have done it for the sake of making a fuel-independent car and making space travel a more practical thing. Both of those things are good for humanity, even if it happens to bring the companies profit. I wouldn't call taking risks like that greedy.I feel like NC is similar. It would be easy for the conglomerate to sit on it's money, instead it's invested in the interest of all involved.

Although, I would still reiterate that NC's roots are in corporations. All connections with the main conglomerate (and it's resources) were lost when the wormhole closed, and now it's mainly just combined civilian/mercenary-rebel factions fighting for freedom, not so much profit.

Originally Posted by Shiftfaced

Off topic related. I was really stuck between all the factions. But after reading all the lore, which is something I have always enjoyed, and participating in threads where you defend a faction like this one, I am amazed at how strong the bonds are forming between that faction and myself. I never played ps so this is all new to me as if last week but it's crazy how it is starting to set in. The people at soe are doing an awesome job. K back on topic

Just wait until you get in game and start getting familiar with individual players. Socially you'll grow accustomed to people who will eventually turn into diehard faction allies and you'll also start to recognize enemy names as "That son of a bitch who killed me 5 times yesterday". It adds a whole social loyalty layer and really concretes the "faction loyalty".

I still hate anyone with "TRx" in their name from PS1. Filthy red bastards.

Kriegson · 2012-06-12, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

I think that the vast majority of the NC are civilian laborers that were sent by the NC on earth to assist in Connery's mission, a smaller fraction are mercenaries also hired by NC to act as security and the smallest fraction being actual corporate businessmen. Once the wormhole closed behind them and took out a lot of the ships containing supplies, the NC on earth no longer had any way to supply the voyage or NC. The resources and money on Auraxis are held by the TR, what little NC have are what civilian laborers have patchworked together or scrounged up on battlefields.

In my thinking, they were just employees of a (not so bad) corporation at one point, but have since become a different entity on auraxis; a force to protect and fight for individual freedoms for non-military. This is a similar ideology held by the NC on earth, which explains why they kept the name.

I.E. The NC armor and guns look like they've been scrapped together and repaired after extensive use. Additionally, the MAX units look like some kind of modified mechanical loader that has have guns and armor welded to it. Kind of a testament to the fact that they don't have the money or resources TR and Vanu have, just a lot of practical know-how, which makes sense because they're mostly laborers.

Best bit in here imo.
In summary:
Yes, corporations back them
Yes, mercenaries likely command and train the majority of their forces
The majority of their forces consist of civilians (Laborers mostly)

So while they were founded and funded by a corporation, it's not exactly an evil one. And the vast majority of the fighters within are in fact fighting for freedom against oppression (TR) and to persevere the human race from the so called ascension of mankind others want to bring about (VS).

Otleaz · 2012-06-12, 06:03 PM

Even if we assume the NC aren't a bunch of corporate lackeys, they are still all stupid kids who jumped into a war with no understanding of what will happen after the war, blindly focusing on "freedom".

archaonn · 2012-06-12, 06:18 PM

Why do you assume they dont know what will happen after war?

The only faction that "knows" what to do after war is the TR, and I see a future covered in blood, with no rights if they win.

The vanu belives that this alien tech will bring us everything we need to be a better race, but they dont know what to expect.

So, dont label us, thnks.

Ratstomper · 2012-06-12, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Kriegson

Best bit in here imo.
In summary:
Yes, corporations back them
Yes, mercenaries likely command and train the majority of their forces
The majority of their forces consist of civilians (Laborers mostly)

So while they were founded and funded by a corporation, it's not exactly an evil one. And the vast majority of the fighters within are in fact fighting for freedom against oppression (TR) and to persevere the human race from the so called ascension of mankind others want to bring about (VS).

All spot on in my view, except the fact that they aren't really backed by corporations anymore. Whatever power holders sent the NC through the wormhole are still back on earth, so the NC (being mostly hired civilian laborers, some mercenary groups and probably a handful of corporate overseers) don't have those resources anymore, just a lot of practical engineering knowhow (most likely from their laborers) and guerilla tactics (most likely from their mercenary contingent).

That explains why NC equipment is mostly makeshift and very well-maintained, they don't have the resources TR do or the technology the VS uncovered... just a lot of really smart, dedicated civilian-soldiers.

I feel like they're almost a separate entity from the earth NC at this point, who seemed to have used mainly economic influence and politics to try to secure freedom for the terran populace. The Auraxis NC retain the desire for freedom, but fight for it in a very different manner. In fact, I wonder if the business-oriented NC on earth would even associate themselves with the freedom-fighter NC on Auraxis...

Red Beard · 2012-06-12, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Otleaz

Even if we assume the NC aren't a bunch of corporate lackeys, they are still all stupid kids who jumped into a war with no understanding of what will happen after the war, blindly focusing on "freedom".

"Those willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither, and will loose both."
-Benjamin Franklin

Unforgiven · 2012-06-12, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Retaliation

If the VS won they would begin reshaping all of humanity towards what they believe is best. I.E. large scale genetic and cybernetic "enhancements" in order to remove what they view as fundamental human problems.

and are these "enhancements" mandatory? sounds opressive to me, what if i dont want to be genetically altered to serve some wack-job's idea of a "master race"

Vorgan · 2012-06-12, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Ratstomper

All spot on in my view, except the fact that they aren't really backed by corporations anymore.

Who's to say that those corporations don't have a presence on Auraxis? A headquarters there, for example. As soldiers, we only really see the battlefield rather than civilian population centers (where, presumably, these corporations would be headquartered). The lore I've read seems to suggest that the NC on Auraxis also have corporate backing.

LostAlgorithm · 2012-06-12, 06:38 PM

Better to be a corporate lackey than a traitor's henchman, which is basically what the TR now are. Current TR leadership murdered President Connery and nearly 600 other citizens in a power grab and then set it up so that it looked like the NC did it. When I found that out, I lost any desire to be a part of the faction. I believe in the TR goals of unification, control, and peace, but can't play one considering it would require me to pretend I'm ignorant of how despicable my leadership is story wise.

Serving a corporation may not be perfect, but I'd say it's better than being a traitor's lapdog.

Shiftfaced · 2012-06-12, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by LostAlgorithm

Better to be a corporate lackey than a traitor's henchman, which is basically what the TR now are. Current TR leadership murdered President Connery and nearly 600 other citizens in a power grab and then set it up so that it looked like the NC did it. When I found that out, I lost any desire to be a part of the faction. I believe in the TR goals of unification, control, and peace, but can't play one considering it would require me to pretend I'm ignorant of how despicable my leadership is story wise.

Serving a corporation may not be perfect, but I'd say it's better than being a traitor's lapdog.

^^

TheDrone · 2012-06-12, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by LostAlgorithm

Better to be a corporate lackey than a traitor's henchman, which is basically what the TR now are. Current TR leadership murdered President Connery and nearly 600 other citizens in a power grab and then set it up so that it looked like the NC did it. When I found that out, I lost any desire to be a part of the faction. I believe in the TR goals of unification, control, and peace, but can't play one considering it would require me to pretend I'm ignorant of how despicable my leadership is story wise.

Serving a corporation may not be perfect, but I'd say it's better than being a traitor's lapdog.

The leadership may be self-serving and treasonous, but it's still superior to laissez-faire self-interest and pseudo-scientific religious zealotry.

Legitimacy is derived from being able to achieve the goal of conquering the challenges ahead. From nothing else.
NC and VS are inherently denied this ability.

Retaliation · 2012-06-12, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Unforgiven

and are these "enhancements" mandatory? sounds opressive to me, what if i dont want to be genetically altered to serve some wack-job's idea of a "master race"

Yes. The Vanu believe neither the TR or NC offer a solution to humanity's woes because humanity is fundamentally flawed. At best it would be like in many Islamic countries where you and your family would be disadvantaged unless you converted to Islam. The "middle" result of a vanu victory would be the previous result with the added bonus of any children you have would be genetically altered before birth to suit the VS view of the perfect human and educated in overwhelmingly pro vanu schools. At worst they'll force it upon you and the behavior modification means you won't even care by the end.

The NC will take away your Security
The TR will take away your Freedom
The VS will take away your Humanity.

LostAlgorithm · 2012-06-12, 06:51 PM

Before anyone goes there, yes, the NC are traitors too, but I'd say the former spirit of the Republic lies more with them than it does the current TR. Part of the reason Connery was killed was because he sympathized and didn't want to crack down too harshly on his citizens.

To put it simply, the Republic no longer exists on Auraxis. All of the factions are traitors to the Republic, the question is which is working towards the best goals for those who remain. I think an argument in that regard can be made for either the NC or the VS, but not the TR with their current leadership. When a faction is willing to kill its own President and loyal citizens for power and authority it quite clearly stops being the one working towards their best interests.