Complexity of the Game - Page 2

Brusi · 2012-06-25, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Toppopia

Don't you guys see? This is Higby's plan. He will make the game simple to draw in the BF3/COD crowd, then once they are hooked, ie, after 6 months to a year, he will start bringing in way more tactical stuff so that the BF3/COD people are used to a strategic game and don't immediately think "Oh my gosh, this game is too complex". And thus, i just revealed Higby's masterplan and he will most likely have me assassinated now. But please wait till i have played before you kill me.

Core combat and Aftershock were complex...

atheistunicycle · 2012-06-25, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by NEWSKIS

The complexity was what gave you so many different things to do in the first game.

The original wasn't all that complex to begin with...

Chronic · 2012-06-25, 02:01 AM

PS1 was complex?

Games like ArmA, X3, and EVE are complex....

Deice · 2012-06-25, 02:29 AM

It's funny.

Reading the replies has made me change my views a little. I was originally concerned about new players being turned off by an overly complex game where all they do is die over and over. New player frustration will be hard to overcome in a game setting like PS because of the persistent, and massive scale. How do you reward a player and keep them fighting, even if not doing very well? (K/D ratio) I'm not here to debate whether PS1 was too complex/difficult or not, because it will be different form player to player. There is nothing to compare it to. I've tried... What is important is how do you keep a new player, playing? Again, how much is to much? I like complexity and options. Let's hope it "feels" like Planetside.

p0intman · 2012-06-25, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by NEWSKIS

Sadly they're trying to get the bf/cod communities into it so its not going to be as complex as the original.

This. They're sacrificing the soul of the game to get more people to try it. Its shitty but there you go.

Cufox · 2012-06-25, 02:32 AM

Simple or complex. It is all what you make it. I am honestly getting tired of the "dumbed down" comments. FPS has evolved over the years. Some ideas work, others don't, but there is not a whole lot new under the sun.

Attention span is also decreasing for the populous. One recent study claimed it has dropped from 15 seconds to 5 for the average person. On that, who really finds ANT runs fun or waiting 15 min for a base to flip?

Even with more "streamlined" gameplay, this is a wargame. It can and will get extremely complex. The game doesn't end at point and shoot for some of us. Planning and simulating real action and watching how people react? Not simple, especially when the group you run with plays "smart" and enters in to a battle with a glut of chuckleheads.

polywomple · 2012-06-25, 02:41 AM

Long story short, you can MAKE it complicated however way you want.

Example outfits.

Toppopia · 2012-06-25, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by polywomple

Long story short, you can MAKE it complicated however way you want.

Example outfits.

This ^

Because you will have people who like simple games and just log in everyday to see how many kills they get. Then log off.

But for hopefully most of us, we log on, see what bases are lost/gained, see where there could be a weakness, discuss with outfit, find a good target, work out a good attack strategy, get ready, then attack.

So as this guy said, it can be as simple or complex as we want, and can get more complex if the resource system is expanded upon like in that resource denial thread, some awesome ideas in there.

Canaris · 2012-06-25, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Chronic

PS1 was complex?

Games like ArmA, X3, and EVE are complex....

I was going to post something similar, thanks for taking care of it

Sabot · 2012-06-25, 04:30 AM

Yeah, the day we have to calculate transversal velocity for strafing around a target, optimal and falloff range for every type of ammunition in every type of gun, manage energy usage in vehicles and running passive/active shields to counter the different ammo types I'm prepared to call the game complex...

diLLa · 2012-06-25, 05:47 AM

Planetside 1 was complex?

What?

ChipMHazard · 2012-06-25, 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by Chronic

PS1 was complex?

Games like ArmA, X3, and EVE are complex....

Heh yeah, seems like a somewhat strange thing to call Planetside.

Also we have yet to see all content that will be included in the launch version, so I fail to see how people can already have labeld the game as being "simple". Perhaps reserving jugdement for when one has actually tried the launch build would be in order.

maddoggg · 2012-06-25, 06:55 AM

I really hope SOE makes the difference between dumbing down the game and making the game more accessible.
For example bf3 was a typical example of dumbing down the game to the point where it felt more like COD than bf.

Dumbing down the game means:lowering TTK,weapon recoil and making everything more spamable and spray and pray tacking beeing a valid option,removing team work features and creating meatgrinder maps.

Making the game more accessible means:Make many detailed video tutorials,make offline practise with bots or something like this,try to make it so that low ranked players would play against low ranked players and wont get bashed so hard.

From what i have seen so far from ps2 SOE actually seems to make that difference as the game seems more accesible,but not dumbed down(ofcourse i havent played ps1 so i could be rong).
In it's current state the game looks even more tactical and deep than even the very best of bf games for example.

ThermalReaper · 2012-06-25, 07:05 AM

Honestly, I mourn the loss of the inventory system even if I didn't play the original. That looks like an amazing mechanic.

Pillar of Armor · 2012-06-25, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by Chronic

PS1 was complex?

Games like ArmA, X3, and EVE are complex....

This^

On average there are 40k people playing it at any moment and the total player base is about 300k. It's not as high as WoW or anything, but it shows that people are willing to play complex games.