Driver/Gunners... NO! - Page 31

Furber · 2012-07-13, 12:56 AM

Originally Posted by Vanir

Optional cert that allows the driver to choose to give up use of the main Cannon. In return for opening up a 3rd seat in the tank, a main gunner seat. There for you would have the driver, the main gunner, and the secondary gunner.

Yes, more choice for the tank operators!

I think this thread needs to be less about which you think is better, and more about trying to convince the devs they should implement both ways.

RodenyC · 2012-07-13, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Vanir

Optional cert that allows the driver to choose to give up use of the main Cannon. In return for opening up a 3rd seat in the tank, a main gunner seat. There for you would have the driver, the main gunner, and the secondary gunner.

That would work alot better.Only thing I would change is that the cert should be to give up the 3 seats for 2 seats.Driver is now in control of the main cannon. Teamwork should come first.Lonewolf play sits in the back.I don't think they would have to redesign any models(Magrider) if they used this from the start.

Azren · 2012-07-13, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Vanir

Optional cert that allows the driver to choose to give up use of the main Cannon. In return for opening up a 3rd seat in the tank, a main gunner seat. There for you would have the driver, the main gunner, and the secondary gunner.

Not possible to implement due to the magrider.

Furber · 2012-07-13, 01:57 AM

Originally Posted by Azren

Not possible to implement due to the magrider.

That is a valid point, but I don't think the other two factions should suffer at the expense of one. Surely they could work something out, maybe a main top turret for the mag only if you spec into the gunner cert?

The Loverator · 2012-07-13, 02:18 AM

It's v~eeery good that there are Gunner's in Planetside 2. Takes Players away from the Ego-Trip with the needful Force. :-P

If you don't want to drive in a "Papertank", you will have to be a Teamplayer. And it's nice that People are getting 'forced' to be Teamplayers.

greetings, LV.

Haro · 2012-07-13, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by The Loverator

It's v~eeery good that there are Gunner's in Planetside 2. Takes Players away from the Ego-Trip with the needful Force. :-P

If you don't want to drive in a "Papertank", you will have to be a Teamplayer. And it's nice that People are getting 'forced' to be Teamplayers.

greetings, LV.

Not if you generally don't like the people you're forced to play with.

Figment · 2012-07-13, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by Haro

Not if you generally don't like the people you're forced to play with.

Then don't play a MMO if you don't like any of the 70.000 people waiting on Facebook to get in.

Azren · 2012-07-13, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by Haro

Not if you generally don't like the people you're forced to play with.

Do you have social issues, or just didn't think before you posted? There will be several hundred people on each empire on a given continent. The chances of you having to play together with the same guy twice is slim to null. Besides, you should just play with your outfit mates, whom you like.

If you don't like anybody, I might suggest you try Hello Kitty Online

KaB · 2012-07-13, 07:06 AM

I'm all ok for giving us the choice through a cert !

Figment · 2012-07-13, 07:10 AM

Originally Posted by KaB

I'm all ok for giving us the choice through a cert !

So what choice do you give the Magrider drivers?

Yeah. Thought so. Well thought-out this plan of "choice"! Not to mention that hitpoint/damage balance would be based on one guy driving/gunning...

KaB · 2012-07-13, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

So what choice do you give the Magrider drivers?

None. They'll deal with it, like in PS1.

If it's a free cert, then let's say that it's like a way of being more comfortable.

fod · 2012-07-13, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by Figment

So what choice do you give the Magrider drivers?

just let us have a turret like in PS1
i never liked the idea of a fixed cannon

Figment · 2012-07-13, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by KaB

None. They'll deal with it, like in PS1.

If it's a free cert, then let's say that it's like a way of being more comfortable.

So you're going to make the Vanguard and Magrider what the Prowler was in PS1 and create manpower issues?

Great.

Originally Posted by fod

just let us have a turret like in PS1
i never liked the idea of a fixed cannon

That's why a Magrider is to be classed a Tank Destroyer / SPG, rather than a tank.

I'd say give the NC and TR a tank destroyer as well and the VS a tank if you want to have three crew options on other tanks.

The whole setup of driver=gunner and tank chassis choices is very badly thoughtout in terms of balancing manpower. :/ Honestly think it's one of the worst thoughtout design choices in PS2.

And giving the players a "choice that's not really a choice" is IMO a band-aid that pretends to fix the problem, but only makes the glaring imbalances between the ES units and solo-multicrew more obvious. But one thing it certainly isn't, and that's a fix. It's a compromise meant to silence criticasters by pretending you give them what they want, while actually giving them a worse tool in comparison to those who use less players per same unit.

I don't really get how anyone can support the certing into either less or more crew in a vehicle, because both completely screw up balance.

KaB · 2012-07-13, 08:31 AM

Adding a cert will allow us to compare and test them both (at least in the beta). End.

EisenKreutzer · 2012-07-13, 12:18 PM

Dude, this thread. Total popcorn material.