Please remove Vehicle seat swapping. - Page 8

pengalor · 2012-07-17, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by MrBloodworth

It just seems that people who grew up on the recent crop of session based shooters ( Session based shooters are built on the premiss of the disposable experience, because they end ) are the ones who seem to be OK with this.

Is this a joke? 'Recent crop'? Just about every FPS on the market in the history of gaming has been 'session-based'.

EisenKreutzer · 2012-07-17, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by pengalor

Is this a joke? 'Recent crop'? Just about every FPS on the market in the history of gaming has been 'session-based'.

He means were all CoD fanboys. ^^

Aurmanite · 2012-07-17, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by pengalor

Is this a joke? 'Recent crop'? Just about every FPS on the market in the history of gaming has been 'session-based'.

The OP will never address this fact. I have brought it up a dozen times in a dozen threads. It's so much easier to be condescending when you aren't accountable for the crazy shit you say.

pengalor · 2012-07-17, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by EisenKreutzer

He means were all CoD fanboys. ^^

Lol guess so. That's everyone's excuse nowadays. "You don't agree with me, you must be a CoD fanboy". This, of course, ignoring the thousands of games that came before CoD that had similar mechanics.

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

The OP will never address this fact. I have brought it up a dozen times in a dozen threads. It's so much easier to be condescending when you aren't accountable for the crazy shit you say.

Agreed. Honestly, I get the feeling from a lot of the anti-swapping people in this thread that they've never played a game with it. The only game I've ever seen it be remotely effective in was BF2, and that was through a glitch. In a game like this, go ahead and try to 1-man army with a Lib. When you get locked up by 4 or 5 guys with missiles watching your Liberator slowly descend and not making any evasive maneuvers I think they'll see that it's a non-issue.

Flaropri · 2012-07-17, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by KTNApollo

I don't know if you've seen some of the footage, but it only takes one volley of Liberator bombs to take out an MBT. It takes a lot more shots from the tank to take out the Lib.

I've seen footage. Looks like 2-3 direct hits with the main cannon (no doubt varies by cannon of course). Considering that they hadn't finished repairing, it would likely be 2 at most, and they get 1 off before they even get inside. Add in a second gunner, especially if it's AA, and that Lib is easily destroyed even faster than with just a 1-crew Magrider.

@Figment: I don't ignore manpower and I think most others don't either, but I do think that resources are something that you underestimate. This is understandable since you've played PS1 without such considerations, but I think both factors should be taken into account, and that neither should be dismissed out of hand. I also think that you should WANT resources to be a factor, because given the lack of Certs as a means of limiting player capability, we need some more things as well besides just Cooldown.

I no doubt missed it, but I'm actually curious as to what solution you want to see. You are, thus far, against forcing 3-man variants because of what changes would be needed for the Magrider (based on past posts, perhaps you've changed your position on this), and in any event as long as there is an "optional" crew slot your view is that that crew slot simply wouldn't be used (based on previous discussions concerning 1-crew vs. 2-crew).

I'm not really clear what it is you WANT to see, if you're fine with current implementation, or if you want to remove seat swapping and up the number of crew slots or... what? And do you WANT resources to fit into the who thing?

In any event, I think it is short-sighted for people to accuse others of simply ignoring a point for their own convenience when it may be that they simply disagree with it, or acknowledge it as a potential problem to be mitigated in a different way. (Especially since that generally happens on all sides by accident anyway, either missing or not having a quick answer and forgetting to address it later or whatever.)

Baneblade · 2012-07-17, 09:05 PM

Swapping is fine, as long as you have to see an exit animation and then an enter animation first. :o

Zulthus · 2012-07-17, 09:09 PM

I don't care if there's swapping inside vehicles as long as there is a timer.

I made a poll on this a while back. http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...ad.php?t=41752

The majority wants to either get out to switch or have a timer. And I'm a part of that.

Instant seat switching is bad. It's a no-no. I absolutely hate it in every game that has it. I realize it makes sense to swap seats from inside a vehicle but you cannot do it instantly.

noxious · 2012-07-17, 09:16 PM

Please keep instant vehicle seat swapping. It's fun!

Accuser · 2012-07-17, 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Aurmanite

This point keeps coming up over and over. You're thinking too small, too literal. There's no law saying that for every person that is doing one thing, there will be an equal amount of people doing that same thing. The game doesn't play that way. If you're running 2 fully manned tanks, you aren't guaranteed to run into 2 fully manned enemy tanks, 4 single manned tanks, or anything.

Besides, who is to say that 2 dual AV tanks wouldn't be able to kill twice as fast?

No, you're thinking too small.
I'm saying that, if my buddy and I could get one tank with 1 AV gun and 1 AA gun, or 2 tanks (double the health) with 2 AV guns and the option of switching to 2 AA guns, we're going to do that. Now expand that to an entire outfit, or several outfits that are specialized in using tanks.

The point is that it won't just be me and a few friends with 4 Prowlers and the option of 4 AA guns, it will be the majority of tanks that roll without a gunner. The point is, I'm much more powerful in my own Prowler with the option of switching to my AA gun instead of sitting in an AA gunner seat the entire battle hoping an aircraft shows up. So why would anyone waste their time in an AA gunner seat when they can blast people with their own Prowler and hot-swap to AA if necessary?

Aurmanite · 2012-07-17, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Accuser

No, you're thinking too small.
I'm saying that, if my buddy and I could get one tank with 1 AV gun and 1 AA gun, or 2 tanks (double the health) with 2 AV guns and the option of switching to 2 AA guns, we're going to do that. Now expand that to an entire outfit, or several outfits that are specialized in using tanks.

The point is that it won't just be me and a few friends with 4 Prowlers and the option of 4 AA guns, it will be the majority of tanks that roll without a gunner. The point is, I'm much more powerful in my own Prowler with the option of switching to my AA gun instead of sitting in an AA gunner seat the entire battle hoping an aircraft shows up. So why would anyone waste their time in an AA gunner seat when they can blast people with their own Prowler and hot-swap to AA if necessary?

You didn't actually read what I said. This post just elaborates on what you said earlier.

That stationary Prowler with the moderate AA is sure gonna strike fear into a pilot.

noxious · 2012-07-17, 09:28 PM

A stationary vehicle is a dead vehicle. This is why instant seat swapping isn't a problem in games that feature it. You're worrying too much about an issue that won't exist.

Aurmanite · 2012-07-17, 09:39 PM

So you head out one manning a tank being all badass. After a short drive you come across another tank, cool, kick its ass seabass. You start the fight and you get the upper hand forcing it to retreat. Badass. Then an enemy aircraft comes at you bro so you switch seats to AA it, but you only manage to get a shot or two off after the aircraft has unloaded an entire volley. It streaks away from your now motionless tank. You weren't able to prevent the aircraft from getting in that free damage because you were focused on that tank you first encountered, which has returned and is shooting at your stationary ass. Swap seats back into the drivers seat and try to get a shot off! Too late! That aircraft has flown back and unloaded another volley killing your ass dead.

So you and 4 of your friends head out 1 manning tanks, cause you're badass...You run into a group of people using combined arms and equipment they way they're supposed to and you get fucked up royally. If you were less of a scrub you might have had a chance.

CutterJohn · 2012-07-17, 09:44 PM

Switching delay is enough. No combat vehicle today requires you to exit the vehicle to change seats, except the small aircraft like helos and fighters(but I believe those tend to be set up so that the pilot or gunner can pilot or gun if needed).

A delay makes sense from both a realism and gameplay perspective. It is exactly the same drawback as a delay for holstering and pulling out a new weapon.

Though the actual seat switch should be instant, just the gun or vehicle controls should take a couple seconds to come online. This would be to facilitate people getting into the right seat without having to deal with delays.

Raymac · 2012-07-18, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

A delay makes sense from both a realism and gameplay perspective. It is exactly the same drawback as a delay for holstering and pulling out a new weapon.

^THIS

DownloadFailed · 2012-07-18, 01:50 AM

I'm fine with seat swapping, but maybe as a bit of a compromise between the two, perhaps there should be a small delay between the press of a button to switch seats to when you actually take the seat, to sort of simulate your player moving within the vehicle. It would allow players to move seats without jumping out while also making sure one person couldn't man a multi-seat vehicle all on his own.

Edit: Turns out I was already beaten to the punch. Oh well.
In a somewhat similar note, I think tanks should be two-seated. Except maybe small, light tanks. If there were more classes for tanks, maybe at least one more, designating the one-seaters as light tanks and two-seaters as heavier tanks, I'd be ok with it.