weapon usage

RSphil · 2012-07-26, 05:39 PM

hi all.

just want to hear people thoughts about the way the weapons handle from what we have seen in the vids.

from alot of the videos i have seen the guns seem to accurate when fired from the hip. Hammas vid showed this well when he was inside one of the places and shot the Vanu guy.

i have seen this in other vids and i have to say i dont like it. fairing from the hip should just spray all over. then when you aim it should be as it should be. nice accurate and deadly.

what do you guys think ?

Gonefshn · 2012-07-26, 05:46 PM

Definitely not too accurate fired from the hip I hate feeling like I need to put up the iron sights even when people are close.

Xyntech · 2012-07-26, 05:52 PM

Firing from the hip does not really literally mean holding the gun at your hip and spray and praying.

Firing from the hip would more appropriately be referred to as "firing from the shoulder." It's essentially bracing the gun, without tilting your head into position to use the actual sites. Realistically (and realism isn't always ideal) a person can still get highly accurate groupings of shots by using a rifle this way.

A lot of games go for far too much inaccuracy when firing "from the hip." I would like to see PS2 stay at it's current hip firing accuracy or even increase it slightly. I have no problem with iron sights being mandatory for accurate firing beyond 100m, but at medium range iron sights should only be useful for reliably landing head shots and at close range there should be zero benefit to going into iron sights.

That's not to say that a person can't use iron sights to fire at closer ranges, but it shouldn't be mandatory for players who don't like using them.

tl;dr At long range, iron sights should be better than hip fire. At medium range, iron sights should be more or less equal to hip fire. At short range, hip fire should actually be better than iron sights.

Coreldan · 2012-07-26, 05:55 PM

From what I have seen, the balance is good with this. In the recent videos most of the CQB kills were scored outside ADS, as in "firing from the hip" (which btw only happens in like PS1 and TF2, rest games actually have the weapon shouldered regardless, see what Xyntech wrote).

I dont want this to be totally arcade quake-mode, but neither do I want it to be "so you ran into a guy at 5m distance but didnt aim down the sights to shoot him? Tough luck, you missed"

RSphil · 2012-07-26, 05:58 PM

true but the characters in planetside look like the gun is lower then shoulder. id say rib hight. which is still hard to aim. i recon if the accuracy was turned down just a little it would be ok. i can see alot of players hardly using the sights. yes its ok for close rankge. mid range, meh spread should be a little more. then long range = not a mission lol.

SFJake · 2012-07-26, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by RSphil

true but the characters in planetside look like the gun is lower then shoulder. id say rib hight. which is still hard to aim. i recon if the accuracy was turned down just a little it would be ok. i can see alot of players hardly using the sights. yes its ok for close rankge. mid range, meh spread should be a little more. then long range = not a mission lol.

I think its fine like that. I have no idea why you think it needs to be that innacurrate. I'm personally very glad this game doesn't follow every modern shooter rules to the letter. There's a reason I never enjoy any of those, and feeling like you have to look through a sight to shoot even up close is one of them.

Hip firing shouldn't just be in there to be useless.

RSphil · 2012-07-26, 06:04 PM

its just realism really. also im used to hardcore modes with no huds so that dosent really help with aiming.

have to try it and see. just looks too accurate from the vids and making the site redundant

Gonefshn · 2012-07-26, 06:06 PM

The site would be meant for ranged fire. you wouldn't have to use the sight in the same room as someone for example.

plus, this is still a game so regardless of hip fire, shoulder fire whatever balance > realism

Coreldan · 2012-07-26, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by RSphil

its just realism really. also im used to hardcore modes with no huds so that dosent really help with aiming.

have to try it and see. just looks too accurate from the vids and making the site redundant

Not really. The times on videos where the "hip firing" has been effective have been like at or sub 10 meter ranges. Anything a tad longer ranged is usually done in ADS.

Not concerned at all personally.

RSphil · 2012-07-26, 06:09 PM

i always walk round corners and stuff with the sight up anyway. force of habit aslong as it dosent take the piss when fighting. as i said have to see in beta if i ever get in lol.

maddoggg · 2012-07-26, 06:13 PM

I think it's fine the way it is.
In games like bf3 for example hip firing is so bad that unless you are in some panic situation at a 5m distance from your oponent tops,it's no use really(good players zoom in even at close combat).
In ps2 you are still going to get awarded for zooming,but the current hipfire would allow you to hip fire enemies up to 10-15m away and while moving which might be usefull in some scenarios.
Also keep in mind than ps2 continents are noting like the maps of the typical arena based shooter these days,this means the majority of gun fights are going to be mid to long range where zoom in is a must.

Rumblepit · 2012-07-26, 06:16 PM

its called recoil, he is adjusting his mouse as he fires. not the gun, its the player.otherwise with the cof and the recoil shots would be all over the place. also he may have had a modded low cal fast rof gun which has very little cof.

vVRedOctoberVv · 2012-07-26, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Xyntech

Firing from the hip does not really literally mean holding the gun at your hip and spray and praying.

Firing from the hip would more appropriately be referred to as "firing from the shoulder." It's essentially bracing the gun, without tilting your head into position to use the actual sites. Realistically (and realism isn't always ideal) a person can still get highly accurate groupings of shots by using a rifle this way.

A lot of games go for far too much inaccuracy when firing "from the hip." I would like to see PS2 stay at it's current hip firing accuracy or even increase it slightly. I have no problem with iron sights being mandatory for accurate firing beyond 100m, but at medium range iron sights should only be useful for reliably landing head shots and at close range there should be zero benefit to going into iron sights.

That's not to say that a person can't use iron sights to fire at closer ranges, but it shouldn't be mandatory for players who don't like using them.

tl;dr At long range, iron sights should be better than hip fire. At medium range, iron sights should be more or less equal to hip fire. At short range, hip fire should actually be better than iron sights.

This man speaks wise words from his lord, Vanu! Listen to him! Then shoot him, for being a bastard Barney!

Lumberchuk · 2012-07-26, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Xyntech

A lot of games go for far too much inaccuracy when firing "from the hip." I would like to see PS2 stay at it's current hip firing accuracy or even increase it slightly. I have no problem with iron sights being mandatory for accurate firing beyond 100m, but at medium range iron sights should only be useful for reliably landing head shots and at close range there should be zero benefit to going into iron sights.

I agree with this completely. I hate having to go into ADS when the guy is like 10 feet from me. I know its not a great comparison (I don't fire many actual weapons at moving targets) but when I play paintball the only time I aim with sights is if someone is over 60m away or I sneak up on them and I really want to make sure I hit 1st shot, the rest of the time my gun is just against my shoulder and is still quite accurate, gives me much more visibility and makes manoeuvring much easier . This is how it should be in most games to as close and even medium range battles become more dynamic due to your increased strafe speed.

Gonefshn · 2012-07-26, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by RSphil

i always walk round corners and stuff with the sight up anyway. force of habit aslong as it dosent take the piss when fighting. as i said have to see in beta if i ever get in lol.

COD definitely made me play like this. BF3 didn't do much to help and it always bothered me. sometimes you can make it work with hip fire but not enough.

There are lots of FPS fans out there who don't like to use iron sights always.
My friend I live with hates ADS. It should be a good balance to accomodate both and make them both viable depending on the situation.