Hacking-cheating in Game - Page 6

KnifeGun · 2012-07-31, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Otleaz

There is no reason to go about doing weird stuff to prevent hackers. No matter what you do, hackers will be there. Competition and skill will be at most a blissful illusion for the ignorant. The only people who I will compliment or actively compare myself to will be people I have talked to and have known for years. Everyone else is unconditionally a hacker.

Stats in this game will be about as valuable as the floaters you find in public restrooms. This isn't a fault with the game at all, it is actually the same for every single shooter you have ever played. There are a LOT of hackers, you just can't tell.

Might as well give up now then right? Doing "weird stuff" might just help prevent many people from even going down that route. The hardcore hackers will probably find a way around what ever is put in front of them but wouldn't you like to see them at least try something to keep that hardcore crew to a minimum?

Gonefshn · 2012-07-31, 06:30 AM

I'm ready to shoot all aimbotters in the head, bring it on

Nemeses · 2012-07-31, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by UnityVS

Hey all,
I posted this on the official forums on my namd3 char, I'm a PS1 Vet, that played on Werner for six years since launch, so apologies if this breaks any forum rules, as these forums are appear more active.

I really have to take issue with the decision of letting Even Balance/Punkbuster near your software.

http://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield...mation_for_the/

The Pay to hack culture is growing the problem has infested and ruined many a game, theres a reply from a hack programmer who states theres 10 year old code inside Punkbuster? still think Punkbuster is well maintained?

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf...54625134907902/

In 10 months one Battlefield 3 Paid for hack supplier has just had 2 ban waves. Even Balance that operate Punkbuster track record appears publicly poor, they don't release ban figures. yet end users experience on a daily basis obvious hackers those that kill you from the other end of the map to those that use the software more subtly like map overlays and damage CoF/Mods, all it does is break down trust amongst the player base.

There massive holes in Direct X code that alllow overlays..thats Microsofts problem.. that ain't getting fixed anytime soon either.

Prepare yourselves with the reality that Punkbuster isn't the answer never was, never will be.

SoE the biggest threat to the success of Planetside 2 is the paid for hack sites, it will drive people away in droves, Ea/Dice/Activision are all to late to the game, there franchises are infested with the problem, don't let Planetside 2 suffer the same fate.

Goodluck SoE I wish you all the best success in tackling this problem.

got to love people who whine and bitch about a problem, but offer no better solution, if you cant add something shut the f up.

Create a better system than PB ..o no you cant but hey you sure as hell can whine about it.

Id rather have PB than nothing.... any chance your other name is goku?

Carnage · 2012-07-31, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by Nemeses

got to love people who whine and bitch about a problem, but offer no better solution, if you cant add something shut the f up.

Create a better system than PB ..o no you cant but hey you sure as hell can whine about it.

Id rather have PB than nothing.... any chance your other name is goku?

It sounds more more like he's airing a concern hoping to be reassured, as opposed to actually whining, ironically you whining about his post is what is unhelpful here, got to love people who whine and bitch about a thread, but offer no actual input, if you cant add something shut the f up.

FastAndFree · 2012-07-31, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by GLaDOS

At least we'll have the satisfaction of, once figuring out who's one of those careful aimbot/other hackers, getting in a Liberator with a couple of friends and blowing them to s**t, over and over again. Also, someone's mentioned before that you could probably PM someone on the enemy team telling them who the hacker is, and if they have any honor, they will announce it to the whole faction and the teamkills will rain down. I really do hope people choose to do this, instead of being happy that their teammate's a hacker.

Trial by enemy tell?

GisTheGit · 2012-07-31, 07:14 AM

We will always have cheats/hackers & the AC just isn't good enough as we all know and seen, but it is the extent of hacking that will determinate how successful this game will be other wise people will simply move on to the next game . So it should be one of SOE main priorities or their investment will fail .

Shogun · 2012-07-31, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by GisTheGit

We will always have cheats/hackers & the AC just isn't good enough as we all know and seen, but it is the extent of hacking that will determinate how successful this game will be other wise people will simply move on to the next game . So it should be one of SOE main priorities or their investment will fail .

it is one of their main priorities!
this has been stated several times by several devs.

also it has been stated that punkbuster is just ONE in a big set of tools they want to use against hackers.

they didn´t specify what else they have up their sleeves and don´t ask them to reveal any additional details because the enemy is listening! every detail the hackers learn about the defence will help them in breaking it.

just keep an eye open for hackers and cheaters and pay2hacks. and report everything to soe!
hopefully they can at least sue the providers of these hacks or reverse-engineer the hacks to close the holes.

i would like the approach to fool cheaters

if a cheater is 100% detectet, his damage-output should scale down without notice and he should get a cheater tag on his back or over his toon, for everybody to enjoy TKing him without getting griefpoints.
so they don´t have any fun in the game any more.

CollinBRTD · 2012-07-31, 07:25 AM

I think we should go over to the hackers and blame them. Normaly the Companys don´t point out the hackers. That should change. In PS1 I know very old chars that are hackers. Why not point out what they are when they get caught. I think we have a couple of different hackers out there.

1. The Wannabe
Wants to improve his skill by hacking
(Bad Player stays normaly bad even with hacking)
2. The Pro
Already a good player and wants to cheat himselve to the top
(the Worst one)
3. The troll
Wants to troll the game and just ruin the game
(Gets normaly regoniced fast)

I think to get rid of the PRO-Hacker just do what microsoft did. Delete his stats and write big and fat hacker on it. I think thats the worst you can do to such people because his "legend!" gets destroyed. I cant think of one big Outfit which is still playing with him after that.

The Big Outfits need to do a gentlemen agreement on a non cheating act. DON´T play with caught cheaters!!!!!!

Carnage · 2012-07-31, 07:45 AM

PS2 is gearing to be a big game, and they need to keep it big, I mean they have put 100's of 1000's of $$$ in to this, if not a Mil (idk how much it is to make a game like this) so you can bet your ass they will not want to lose customers due to bastard hax players.
I'm betting they have dedicated a team to formulate a way to make the game difficult to hack, It likely was taken into account as they made the engine (much better then incorporated 3rd party software). I have faith that SOE has a secret strategy to combat hackers. but I guess time will tell.

Gugabalog · 2012-07-31, 08:14 AM

I think we should go over to the hackers and blame them. Normaly the Companys don´t point out the hackers. That should change. In PS1 I know very old chars that are hackers. Why not point out what they are when they get caught. I think we have a couple of different hackers out there.

1. The Wannabe
Wants to improve his skill by hacking
(Bad Player stays normaly bad even with hacking)
2. The Pro
Already a good player and wants to cheat himselve to the top
(the Worst one)
3. The troll
Wants to troll the game and just ruin the game
(Gets normaly regoniced fast)

I think to get rid of the PRO-Hacker just do what microsoft did. Delete his stats and write big and fat hacker on it. I think thats the worst you can do to such people because his "legend!" gets destroyed. I cant think of one big Outfit which is still playing with him after that.

The Big Outfits need to do a gentlemen agreement on a non cheating act. DON´T play with caught cheaters!!!!!!

^ This.
Ostracize cheaters. Encourage tk-ing cheaters. Maybe they could be labelled "Traitors" for immersion purposes.

IgloGlass · 2012-07-31, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by Gugabalog

^ This.
Ostracize cheaters. Encourage tk-ing cheaters. Maybe they could be labelled "Traitors" for immersion purposes.

Even better, make it so that when you team-kill these people it doesn't give you any grief-points

LastDawn · 2012-07-31, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by Carnage

PS2 is gearing to be a big game, and they need to keep it big, I mean they have put 100's of 1000's of $$$ in to this, if not a Mil (idk how much it is to make a game like this)

Im quite sure a lot more money then one million has been spent on developing Planetside 2. I think I heard somewhere that the CGI Trailer alone is worth close to a million. But a lot of money doesn't guarantee a hacker free game, just look at BF3..
And in PS2 preventing hacking is even more important, to make the money invested back people need to keep playing and paying.

The Degenatron · 2012-07-31, 08:30 AM

What I've been wondering for the last ten years is when are the major publishers of video games are going to come together, form a legal coalition, and begin dragging these cheating assholes to court?

I know Sony, Valve, EA, Ubisoft, Vevindi, Sega, Nentindo, etc. have enough money and large enough legal teams to put these turds who are creating and selling hacks through the fucking ringer. Let one of these hackers go through a 5 year court battle and get a nice big seven digit settlement hung around their neck and see how much they feel like making cheats after that.

The publishers have a very strong legal leg to stand on: Game makers don't just sell software, they sell an experience to the user.. That experience is damaged by the cheat makers. Making and selling a product designed to damage someone else's product sounds like a slam-dunk to me.

Sony needs to let their legal pitbulls of their chain for once.

Gugabalog · 2012-07-31, 08:58 AM

^ Ya, and not sick it on community promoting modders liek so many other devs groups.

Shogun · 2012-07-31, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by The Degenatron

What I've been wondering for the last ten years is when are the major publishers of video games are going to come together, form a legal coalition, and begin dragging these cheating assholes to court?

I know Sony, Valve, EA, Ubisoft, Vevindi, Sega, Nentindo, etc. have enough money and large enough legal teams to put these turds who are creating and selling hacks through the fucking ringer. Let one of these hackers go through a 5 year court battle and get a nice big seven digit settlement hung around their neck and see how much they feel like making cheats after that.

The publishers have a very strong legal leg to stand on: Game makers don't just sell software, they sell an experience to the user.. That experience is damaged by the cheat makers. Making and selling a product designed to damage someone else's product sounds like a slam-dunk to me.

Sony needs to let their legal pitbulls of their chain for once.

yep. they managed to do the exact same thing to fight against pirated copys of their games. they sent letters to everybody who bought the jailbreak usb stick for the playstation 3. they didn´t sue everybody at once, but they threatened to do so if someone would use this stick and got caught.

but i guess every gaming company is afraid of hackers after the damn last year. and uniting against hackers and cheaters might make them unite as well and new big scale attacks would be the result.

you know, some kiddys with the skills to destroy the fun in a game might also have the skills to destroy the whole game network again.