Two seater Gunships/Utility Transports? - Page 2

Sulaco · 2012-08-10, 07:57 AM

I'd love to see a Planetside equivalent of the MH-6 Little Bird, with soldiers able to sit on the sides, firing their own handheld weapons. Could make for lots of fun on smash n' grab style missions.

Wrath · 2012-08-10, 08:32 AM

little bird type craft isnt needed like somebody already said if you had some fast small air trasport it would just do away with the ground version since everybody would pick it up as personal transports and it would do away with any team play

a blackhawk type gun platform/transport is equally no needed since the galaxy exists

i think the OP is a battlefield player who is expecting to be able to hover over a battlefield laying down a rain of death as you can in BF. problem is there will be far more air vehicles in PS so that type of combat would exist if you arent moving at speed over a battlefield you'll be dead in seconds.

vasito · 2012-08-10, 08:47 AM

I like the idea of a Blackhawk/mi-24 type gunship. With transport capabilities but also guns.

Also a 2man gunship is good to. A PS2 equivalent to modern helicopters like the AH-1Z Viper/mi-28

Wutpear · 2012-08-10, 09:10 AM

The only thing I would say is that the utility of the gunship type aircraft is provided by the existing aircraft. I am a little curious to what kind of gun the movable turret would be. Either way if you want an apache just strap some rocket pods on a reaver and call it a day.

Sulaco · 2012-08-10, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Wrath

little bird type craft isnt needed like somebody already said if you had some fast small air trasport it would just do away with the ground version since everybody would pick it up as personal transports and it would do away with any team play

I guess so, but isn't that down to balancing? They could make craft such as this more expensive or have some negative attributes that would make it less convenient to use as a personal get-there-fast ship perhaps.

If I personally wanted to play with a small squad of buddies, it'd be neat if we could drop into a battle with a small air transport (not because I don't like ground transport - I just love air-drops), rather than using the Galaxy - which I love, but is a beast of a craft best suited for large insertions.

Also I totally agree that ground transport is a big deal and should be more prominent, but something I missed in BF3 was the option to be an airborne troop transport and NOT get blown out of the sky in seconds. My concern is not for being an annoying as hell attack helicopter bombing everyone on the ground, but to be able to perform fast insertions of small 4-man squads etc. on rooftops and whatnot.

Wutpear · 2012-08-10, 09:20 AM

You would be surprised how nimble and evasive you can be with a Galaxy.

If you really want to do those small drops your talking about.
1. Take a Galaxy
2. Load it up with as many guys as you can get (all light assault)
3. Get to high altitude and tell your buddies to jump when you are above your target. BOOM instant paratrooper attack.

quaye · 2012-08-10, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by VikingPignvin

quick ground transport = useless sunderer. quick air transport= all other transport useless

Not really. Just make the quick medium transports with less durability and less weapons.

Lord Paladin · 2012-08-10, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Wutpear

You would be surprised how nimble and evasive you can be with a Galaxy.

If you really want to do those small drops your talking about.
1. Take a Galaxy
2. Load it up with as many guys as you can get (all light assault)
3. Get to high altitude and tell your buddies to jump when you are above your target. BOOM instant paratrooper attack.

Actually this gives me a great idea of how you could do it.

Make it a helicopter type vehicle (about the speed of a reaver, but as manuverable as a scythe), give it a considerably lower flight ceiling (so it can't be out of range of ground fire). It would be 1 pilot, a 1(2) gunners (either like an apache, or two side chain guns) and and 3-4 exposed passenger seats (total compliment of 6).

Then DON'T give it a hot drop system.

You could still do high drops with LA (cause of their jetpacks) but not as high as a galaxy for HALO. You could load other (non-max) units into it, but you'd have to touch down to do so. Since it's super manuverable, the langing/take off could be quick (or just hover over the ground).

This would make it an ideal spec ops transport, since it's not as clunky as a galaxy or sunderer, but since it's (relatively) low armor, exposed passengers, and resonably fast (no afterburners), but could do drop off and extractions quickly. It wouldn't be something you bring into a main engagement, or something you're using to transport large numbers to a hot spot. It would be something you use against towers and outposts to keep your profile low, and get in and get out.

You move in, you drop your 3-4 squad mates off, the pilot and gunner(s) provide a little fire support, when they're done, you move in, pick them up, and you're off.

Just be careful if that HA or MAX gets off the first shot.

RabbleRabble · 2012-08-10, 02:51 PM

Interesting ideas so far.

Maybe combine the two ideas I gave in the thread instead?

An air transport with minimal offensive capability:

-carries 5-6 passengers
-1 pilot, no weapons but has countermeasures like flares.
-1 gunner that controls a rotating gatling gun turret
-Slightly higher speed than the Galaxy
-Smaller airframe
-Lower flight ceiling (so it makes it vulnerable to ground fire)

I guess it basically functions like a MI-24, but without rockets.

Goldeh · 2012-08-10, 02:56 PM

I believe what he is asking for is the Helicopters (or something similar) from BF3.

They are two seater and their weapons are indepentent from each other (Autocannon on a swivel Player 1, Rockets+Driving Player 2)

..Nope, something like that is not in the game at release. Perhaps in the future.

RabbleRabble · 2012-08-10, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Wrath

little bird type craft isnt needed like somebody already said if you had some fast small air trasport it would just do away with the ground version since everybody would pick it up as personal transports and it would do away with any team play

I somewhat agree with you, however I think Observation/Light attack air vehicles like a futuristic Little Bird would have uses. To prevent people picking it up as personal transports maybe make things like the ATV cheaper and give the little bird more resource cost so they need to make use of it effectively? Just an idea.

Originally Posted by Wrath

i think the OP is a battlefield player who is expecting to be able to hover over a battlefield laying down a rain of death

While I would like a two seat gunship in the game, I'm more interested in having a more nimble transport aircraft because I like flying people around in a battle, only thing is the Galaxy looks like and handles like a bus.

Wrath · 2012-08-10, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by RabbleRabble

I somewhat agree with you, however I think Observation/Light attack air vehicles like a futuristic Little Bird would have uses. To prevent people picking it up as personal transports maybe make things like the ATV cheaper and give the little bird more resource cost so they need to make use of it effectively? Just an idea.

in terms of recon/scouting the allaince aircraft i believe can be kitted out and tailered to suit what ever role you like so they could easy fill that role

While I would like a two seat gunship in the game, I'm more interested in having a more nimble transport aircraft because I like flying people around in a battle, only thing is the Galaxy looks like and handles like a bus.

as for ferrying people about i think your missing the point in planetside some what. darting round dropping 3-4 people off at a time isn't going to do much to swing a 300-400 people battle. your stuck in BF mode where 1 blackhawk drop behind enemy lines can swing and win a map.

EnderGraff · 2012-08-10, 03:35 PM

Just so you guys know, the Galexy does have guns on it

So they completely fill the role you guys are discussing

Lord Paladin · 2012-08-10, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by EnderGraff

Just so you guys know, the Galexy does have guns on it

So they completely fill the role you guys are discussing

The OP is talking about something that handles better. Basically, he want something maneuverable :P

Now, back in my day of PS1 I could make the Galaxy dance, but the flight mechanics were terrible. I'm EXTREMELY excited to get my hands on one in PS2 and see how it handles. I loved that flying boat.