Higby on Air/AA balance.. Is it the fast track to Airside?

[RobUK]

Originally Posted by Helwyr

@ a certain leader board player never missing an opportunity to expose his e-peen in a thread. Not sure what point he's trying to make in regard to the topic at hand though, as none of it seems relevant.

Haha

I resisted the tempation to mention the perpetual and predicatble virtual willy waving myself.

I always think of it this way.

A tiny fraction of the world's population plays PC games. A miniscule number of those people has even heard of this game. A minute proportion of those people even play Planetside 2. An insignificant number of that group would have even have heard of any particular characters name.

So, in a nutshell, enjoy your "fame"

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Helwyr

Wow has this thread shot off. Actually less Aircav players trying to defend the undefendable than I expected on PSU.

Another option if Air is going to be completely overpowered is for SOE just to give us maps where Aircraft are not a factor, full tree coverage on Hossin or Foresal, or very poor visibility on Searus (including IR/Thermal) due to smoke and ash. Then players can just vote on this issue with their feet.

@ a certain leader board player never missing an opportunity to expose his e-peen in a thread. Not sure what point he's trying to make in regard to the topic at hand though, as none of it seems relevant.

Pointing out again how stupid the Planetside population is focusing all your attention on Aircav been OP again, when its clear there are FAR better vehicles for killing.

[RykerStruvian]

Base AA turrets need to be buffed a little. Those are specifically for defense purposes and should be able to have longer ranges and more accurate, at least base turrets for major facilities like amp stations/techplants. And even then just a little buff, nothing crazy.

Air superiority outside of a base defense is entirely in the hands of the players of any given engagement rather than the tools they are able to use. If the enemy has lots of air cover, chances are you have no birds in the sky or AA on the ground to help them out. This happened to be the case last night on Indar when NC was pushing TR north into Mao. We had tanks++ all over the place but all of our liberators and aircraft had been destroyed. TR had some tanks but were mainly using air, which we weren't able to push back since the only lightning we had happened to be the generic type.

At most, all I saw was one or two AA MAXs on our side but that was it. Its really just about balance and a bit of rock/paper/scissors. Grant it, air does have the ability to be rock/scissors but will always also be paper regardless what it decides to do.

[Bags]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

Pointing out again how stupid the Planetside population is focusing all your attention on Aircav been OP again, when its clear there are FAR better vehicles for killing.

You must be the only person who has figured it out then, I've died to a lightning using HE maybe once.

Question though, what makes a lightning with HE better than an MBT with HE? And personal success aside, what makes a lighting better than an ESF?

[Figment]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

Pointing out again how stupid the Planetside population is focusing all your attention on Aircav been OP again, when its clear there are FAR better vehicles for killing.

As I said earlier in the thread: Lightning HE is one shot kill with little chance of missing.

Exile tries to point out that an 88% accuracy gun gives an approximate 60% kills to his shots fired.


And he's correct, HE solo tanks are OP (again, as I said before, would have imagined this to have less firepower for the endurance it gets - same can be said for the MBT). Hell, the AP and HEAT shells single shot kill infantry...

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Bags

You must be the only person who has figured it out then, I've died to a lightning using HE maybe once.

Question though, what makes a lightning with HE better than an MBT with HE? And personal success aside, what makes a lighting better than an ESF?

lightning is faster, making it better than an MBT for hit and run attacks, it has a lower profile making it better for hull downing, it has a high damage shot. capable of gibbing packs of enemys out of LOS, its DPS is FAR greater than that of an ESF and its downtime is less, as you will generally have to travel some distance to repair an ESF and rearm in vulnerable positions, i repair the lighting while chumps with assault rifles are looking at me with their beady eyes.

My next Video will be a full feature on the lightning, it will induce nerd rage.

[Bags]

Originally Posted by SKYeXile

lightning is faster, making it better than an MBT for hit and run attacks, it has a lower profile making it better for hull downing, it has a high damage shot. capable of gibbing packs of enemys out of LOS, its DPS is FAR greater than that of an ESF and its downtime is less, as you will generally have to travel some distance to repair an ESF and rearm in vulnerable positions, i repair the lighting while chumps with assault rifles are looking at me with their beady eyes.

My next Video will be a full feature on the lightning.

Given the reload time I doubt the DPS of a lightning is higher than an ESF, you mean burst damage maybe?

Anyway maybe that will be a problem when everyone runs around with HE lightnings but as is the big problem realistically atm is ESF.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by Bags

Given the reload time I doubt the DPS of a lightning is higher than an ESF, you mean burst damage maybe?

Watch the tank vid I posted earlier.


ESF is a thing of its own. Next to spawnshackcamping, solo MBT zergs, one shot kill everything, you know the drill... I'm just sad it's all problems that are either not recognized, not dealt with or ignored as intended.

[Bags]

Originally Posted by Figment

Watch the tank vid I posted earlier.


ESF is a thing of its own. Next to spawnshackcamping, solo MBT zergs, one shot kill everything, you know the drill... I'm just sad it's all problems that are either not recognized, not dealt with or ignored as intended.

Yes it kills infantry in one shot but I don't think that means it has the highest DPS.

Highest damage in one second, maybe.

[Figment]

DPS is irrelevant if you can have sustained damage over time with guaranteed kills. And any decent gunner should one shot half the battlefield of infantry with this piece of cake gun.

[Bags]

Originally Posted by Figment

DPS is irrelevant if you can have sustained damage over time with guaranteed kills. And any decent gunner should one shot half the battlefield of infantry with this piece of cake gun.

Lightnings seem fine to me. I've yet to have issue with them.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by Bags

Lightnings seem fine to me. I've yet to have issue with them.

In part because everything can hunt them and their drivers are crappy. Most can't even hull down.

[Mastachief]

Sigh glad i'm not giving a penny more to them. A dedicated AA platform should always hands down destroy a all purpose air vehicle. AA is toothless and only the bored ever pull it.

Too many noobs whining because they can't fly.

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Figment

DPS is irrelevant if you can have sustained damage over time with guaranteed kills. And any decent gunner should one shot half the battlefield of infantry with this piece of cake gun.

Yea I think you can get 3 lightning shots off to 1 esf salvo? That's heaps more damage. I think the only advantage is in an esf you have elevation to kill dug in infantry. But if you can get elevation on them in a lightning...ohm nom nom nom nom.

[SKYeXile]

Originally Posted by Figment

In part because everything can hunt them and their drivers are crappy. Most can't even hull down.

I take it you play WOT? tell me, do you find yourself always putting your tank on an angle, staying in arty safe positions and looking for bushes to conceal your tank in?(surprisingly this last one really works)