Reddit Style Voting for Six Month Plan

[Roy Awesome]

Originally Posted by Rockit

Allow me to reiterate.

Originally Posted by Rockit

Reddit is awful. Just bad and no one cares to visit it. Hey guys the 80's are missing you.

Originally Posted by Rockit

Well then can you see why such a "vote" might be biased? The only people who give a shit about that format are Reddit users?

Originally Posted by Rockit

Nah I posted none. Dont give a shit about Reddit. Climb another hill. This is a terrible antiquated format. But I wouldn't expect anything less from a terrible antiquated company like SOE. Just horrible. Listserv died a while ago but Reddit didnt get the memo. 4chan I can expect but SOE get's behind this Reddit effort. LMFAO.

What kind of giant stick do you have shoved up your ass?

Seriously, just because you don't like it doesn't mean nobody does. The Upvote/Downvote system is very very effective for gauging public interest. It's something that Valve uses for Steam Workshop to put items into Dota 2 and TF2, Youtube uses it to rank videos, Facebook uses for statuses... The list goes on and on.

It's an effective metric for gauging public interest in a topic, one I would argue is better than traditional 'post count' forum method. A well liked idea, traditionally, would only gather a handful of posts on the subject (a majority would agree and not say anything), and only controversial or unliked ideas get debated to death.

If you bothered to read the post that smedley posted on /r/planetside, you can see they are simply going for an 'upvote/downvote' system for getting feedback from the userbase. They aren't throwing out their forums and creating a subreddit. This system is custom tailored to the needs of SOE and not something they are using for community building...purely for feedback.

[Rockit]

Reddit format sucks balls.

[Sirisian]

Originally Posted by Rockit

Reddit format sucks balls.

What would you prefer? When most people say reddit they're referring to up and down voting of comments and threads which forms a basis for self moderation. You seem to prefer the PSU style discussion with no rating system and just a general discussion? I assume not given how poorly you debate with your recent posts. I actually prefer long thought out posts myself with no rating, but like you showed in your previous posts many gamers cannot debate and end up sliding into name calling and childish behavior.

You're making a strong point for a voting system whether you realize it or not.

[Roy Awesome]

Originally Posted by Sirisian

What would you prefer? When most people say reddit they're referring to up and down voting of comments and threads which forms a basis for self moderation. You seem to prefer the PSU style discussion with no rating system and just a general discussion? I assume not given how poorly you debate with your recent posts. I actually prefer long thought out posts myself with no rating, but like you showed in your previous posts many gamers cannot debate and end up sliding into name calling and childish behavior.

You're making a strong point for a voting system whether you realize it or not.

I think he is just whiny because whenever he posts shit like that to reddit, it gets downvoted because it's baseless, offtopic, and doesn't contribute to the discussion at hand. It's funny, because I think the reddit community can be retarded sometimes, so it's always a joy to see even the lowest common denominator decide that posts like that don't contribute to the discussion.

[Roy Awesome]

Also, on another note, I do enjoy Reddit's tree-based comment system. It lets you have multiple relevent discussion on a single topic without one person taking the entire thread to make their point. I hope SOE takes this bit from reddit as well, because having multiple inline discussions is very confusing and hard to follow who is talking to who.

[Destroyeron]

If they don't even fucking know where they want to be in 6 months the small glimmer of hope I had for this game is dead.

[Rockit]

Originally Posted by Roy Awesome

I think he is just whiny because whenever he posts shit like that to reddit, it gets downvoted because it's baseless, offtopic, and doesn't contribute to the discussion at hand. It's funny, because I think the reddit community can be retarded sometimes, so it's always a joy to see even the lowest common denominator decide that posts like that don't contribute to the discussion.

I would have also shot myself if that is the best interface I could come up with.

[maradine]

Originally Posted by Rockit

Reddit format sucks balls.

Reddit also would have relegated you to oblivion by now, which, on the balance, I think comes out as a point for Reddit.

I think I've changed my mind - maybe this is for the better after all.

[Stanis]

You can please some of the people, some of the time.

Voting is a bad idea.
For any idea that may be good or bad but never the less taken on board - many won't be.

Either we get pacified as the veteran PS1 community by giving us a game that is in spirit PS2 rather than name.

Or they get to cherry picked ideas that fit the planned evolution and marketing/finance limitations.


In many threads through beta players would tear each other apart insisting that when we say how bad or wrong something is we need to offer constructive criticism.
I disagree.
I'm not a professional game designer.
The SOE team has many skilled professionals doing art and assets.
But actual game designers with experience on an MMO FPS with a scale of thousands? We know there hasn't been a game like this.

The great minds should take our feedback and concerns, take their existant vision and the vast wealth of data they both have and can collect - and go professionally game design.

I just hope we get the best designed game. Not the best for the market. Or the best financial return.
I'd really like to see my friends that have played PS1 on and off for ten years playing PS2. Right now - they're waiting on a shattered dream that began about 2 years when we all got back together after the development of ps2 was announced.

You want to put that to a vote?

[DirtyBird]

Originally Posted by NapalmEnima

Based on smedley's reddit post, it sounds like they already have a pretty good idea of what the features will be, but are letting the players pick which order some of them come in.

And once they start building those features, I suspect it'll be similar to beta in that SOE will listen to it's players and take their opinions into account when making changes... not feverishly obeying the loudest voices.

On several occasions, Higby has posted/tweeted something to the effect of:

"Scissors are OP, rock seems balanced"
-- Paper

Definitely not "design by mob", and not all that much "schedule by mob".

I'm guessing it'll be something like:

6 Month Plan:

• Thing that will definitely be included
• Another thing that will definitely be included.
• Optional thing 1
• Optional thing 2
• Optional thing 3
• Optional thing 4
• Optional thing 5

"We only have time for 3 of the 5 Optional Things. Which ones would you like to see first?"

And whatever doesn't make it in this time will be up for inclusion in the next 6 month plan.

Not worried.

I kinda agree with this.
You'll think you have control and therefore a sense of involvement but in reality you're just being lead down a certain path.
He basically tells you that in his post anyway.


BTW I couldnt find Smeds thread on the "official" forums about this which is disappointing.
He hasnt posted there for about 2months.

[Javelin]

Originally Posted by maradine

Reddit also would have relegated you to oblivion by now, which, on the balance, I think comes out as a point for Reddit.

I think I've changed my mind - maybe this is for the better after all.

This

[Crator]

Originally Posted by DirtyBird

BTW I couldnt find Smeds thread on the "official" forums about this which is disappointing.
He hasnt posted there for about 2months.

Would be cool if SOE could put upvote/downvote functionality into their own forums. But with better readability interface then Reddit. I have attempted to read a few things on Reddit before but it is hard...

[Helwyr]

Originally Posted by Tatwi

I agree with your concern.

Actual discussion, which leads to compromise, consideration, and often times better ways to accomplish the same goals, are what drive projects toward success.

Voting: Bad.

SOE reading and taking part in discussions: Good.

Pretty simple.

As long as the threads are heavily moderated and actually frequented by the appropriate developers, then the end result should be in line with what the community expects from the game.[...]

I agree with this. Communication is a very good thing, especially were posters are required to make reasoned arguments to support their ideas, but raw voting on these things isn't necessarily going to lead to a good place.

Originally Posted by Sunrock

Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried. - Winston Churchill

But just because a majority wants something does not mean it's bad but it does not mean it's good either. [...]

As Sunrock alluded to pure democracy of majority rule can lead to some pretty terrible things. It isn't even what we have in Western Countries, the US for instance has its Constitution and Bill of Rights. You can't simply get a majority vote and reinstate Slavery.

This leads to what's most important in all this, SOE need their equivalent of the Constitution and Bill or Rights and in the context of a game like this it's core design philosophy and the protection of various playstyles. Essentially SOE should know and communicate what their game is about and the various ways they want people to be able to play it. Within that framework players can suggest (and if we must, vote) for different ideas that fit within that framework to build upon it. But a pure popularity contest on a medium like Reddit where the future of Planetside is up for grabs would be pretty terrible.

[Mordelicius]

"Will you agree with the order we're doing things? maybe.. maybe not" - Smedley

PLEASE, no implementation of E-Sports this early. Please! I'm hoping that's not what it meant, because that's how I'm reading it.

Anyway, most people will remember Reddit used to have an old, bigger rival named Digg. Digg dominated Reddit until they implemented the "Friends" system. All it really did was enable a swarm of voting cliques or voting blocks gaming and rigging the the voting system.

Soon enough the frontpage was flooded with more and more inane, uninteresting and irrelevant posts due to these "friends" posses circle-jerk voting each other. Eventually, Digg started dying and Reddit became more prominent due massive exodus of users.

I hope they implement a system that prevent such pitfalls.

- They should have internal filters that root out newly created accounts when they are reading the data. Meaning, what would the data read without the influence of fresh accounts?
- When they let a community vote on an Official topic, they should broadcast it as far and wide as possible to get as much sample audience. It means, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, Launcher, PSU, E-mail and even in-game Announcements!

Other than than, i'm glad they are reaching out to the community
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[Vashyo]

I certainly hope ideas that are straight out of CoD or other non-planetside game aren't on the top all the time. The game used to be about strategy and tactics, now it's about pwning n00bs or whatever the coolkids say today.

I've been reading comments on reddit and planetside official forums. It's mostly new players asking for stuff that doesn't improve the overall game in anyway. They just want to see some small meaningless little features implemented.

"xXx_MLG360nOscOpeAKIMBo_xXx = I WUNT DUALWIELD!!!!!111111oneoneoneone or I WUNT E-SP0RTS I R MLG winrar!"



games today just streamline and over-simplify to meet with the demands of the fickle audience...