SOE does not intend to listen to feedback. Time for another method?

p0intman · 2013-01-26, 02:27 PM

Firstly a note: I hate to promote something like this, as it seems a little drastic, but I see no other recourse available to us as the evidence outlined below has made clear (for me, at least).

A few things I've noticed that concern me make it pretty clear that despite voting on the ps2 forums on the roadmap being well underway and some ideas being far less popular than others - and still having an overall negative rating now - SOE does not intend to listen or pay attention. They will, as usual, steamroll ahed with things.

See things such as the outfit tournements that are at best divisive in the community, and are at worst simply pandering to BR3/CoD/Moh crowd. Outfit tournaments are something Smedly has said he views as being the only real way to make Esports work in ps2.

So, despite this, our votes mean NOTHING. All it is, is ANOTHER PR gig.

so, things like supply contains and fb/twitter integration, which are both hilariously and wildly unpopular, will likely make it in anyway.

This is par for the course with SOE, and they've likely made their minds up anyway on most/all of this. They did this with BFRs, and the same thing will happen with this MLG bullshit. So, instead of speaking, I propose giving them the actual metrics.

The solution:

Those who see this pattern and agree, STOP LOGGING IN. Even if you currently play and are concerned about this: DO NOT LOG IN. Boycott the game and force SOE to see that this is no longer acceptable and will not be tolerated by the community. This is how they will listen, most people think that content in a game like this is made up of bases, gens, turrets, etc. The real content? Players. Actual humans fighting one another in a virtual battlefield.

If you are a leader of an organised outfit, pass this around and get people to simply not log in for a week or three. If enough people do it, they will be forced to see what they stand to lose.

basti · 2013-01-26, 02:30 PM

Ah, good old pointman is back with his random clueless rabble.

You are just another person who doesnt understand Esports at all, and how they interact with PS2...

edit: just ask ANYONE of the folks who participated in the original Outfit wars. THATS what we are talking about here. NOT 24/7 instanced combat that takes people away from the main game. Thats exaclty whats NOT going to happen, as stated several times by Several devs.

Get
A
Clue
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LoliLoveFart · 2013-01-26, 02:30 PM

I'm all for a good boycott, but, Player numbers were rapidly decreasing after launch, not so sure what they are like now after the UES so who knows.
Also i thought the Roadmap was voting for PRIORITY of what goes in aka higher votes is implemented first.

p0intman · 2013-01-26, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by basti

Ah, good old pointman is back with his random clueless rabble.

You are just another person who doesnt understand Esports at all, and how they interact with PS2...

edit: just ask ANYONE of the folks who participated in the original Outfit wars. THATS what we are talking about here. NOT 24/7 instanced combat that takes people away from the main game. Thats exaclty whats NOT going to happen, as stated several times by Several devs.

Get
A
Clue
!

You mad your pet ideas are being hilariously downvoted?

Btw, I participated in the outfit wars. I STILL disagree with this.

Crator · 2013-01-26, 02:33 PM

So, um, the tweets are dated Jan 13. That was before the roadmap announcement.

ChipMHazard · 2013-01-26, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by LoliLoveFart

Also i thought the Roadmap was voting for PRIORITY of what goes in aka higher votes is implemented first.

That or just to serve as an indicator of sorts as to what sort of content people like.
Personally I don't really get the point about voting for some of the things. Does it matter if people downvote the new continent? It's still going to be added in and so will the rest of them, whenever they are ready.

The voting system was never meant to be something where we could directly influence their choices, they even point that out.
This critique seems rather pointless really.

p0intman · 2013-01-26, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

That or just to serve as an indicator of sorts as to what sort of content people like.

In other words, "Your opinions mean fuck all, htfu and deal with it".

if its already decided, why bother with this farce?

Imo, if SOE were to listen, they'd be willing to rethink and trash ideas that aren't wanted.

Originally Posted by Crator

So, um, the tweets are dated Jan 13. That was before the roadmap announcement.

imo, he had his opinion made up before beta even began. date means nothing.

ChipMHazard · 2013-01-26, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

In other words, "Your opinions mean fuck all, htfu and deal with it".

if its already decided, why bother with this farce?

Imo, if SOE were to listen, they'd be willing to rethink and trash ideas that aren't wanted.

Well I can't say that I fully know either. I would guess that some of the ideas are more up for grabs than others. I could see them changing their views on say... Achievements, future class/vehicle redesigning, based on our feedback.
I do agree that many of the changes just seem strange to have people vote on.
I can only guess of what use it is having us up/down vote something like tutorial, SMG, continent locking, tournament features etc.
I have to wonder why they care whether or not we really [dis]like something they've been working on for months or weeks and that's going to be added no matter what.

I wouldn't go as far and claim that they aren't interested in our feedback since we've seen more than one update which included changes based on feedback. The road map also features changes that we've suggested/demanded in the past.

CrazEpharmacist · 2013-01-26, 03:24 PM

It's just not worth it. I've stopped logging in for weeks now. Just wait for PS1 to go free to play. This game is far too broken to fix. SOE has proven time and time again they are a joke of a company.

Mox · 2013-01-26, 04:03 PM

Soe is lying. They shit on us. This whole voting thing is a farce. Be sure players will be invunerable, fb linked, playing on rented servers outfitwars broadcasted by mlg or fighting against a npc-alien race on the main servers.

Be sure SOE wont listen to the community. They still think the can design a pig that shit golden eggs by making ps2 somekind of casual place that attract everbody (npcs for wow kiddies, esports for.the koreans, tobuscus and seananners for the youtubers, twitchy gunplay for bf3/cod-players,.) at the end they will lose everything because the game will be for nobody instead of for everbody. And they shit on the real fans which os the biggest fault one can do.

ringring · 2013-01-26, 04:07 PM

You've got tihs wrong.

'Listen to' does not mean obey and never has. Neither does 'take into account'.

They'll listen and take into account but that poll was just an opinion poll and not an instruction for them to obey.

Not many people voted for the SMG's and yet we all know that FTP means they have to introduce new weapons and other stuff for the store.

We really didn't like the social media stuff either, but if the reckon they need it in order to keep on attracting new players then it will go in whatever our personal opinions, and that's right. Social media is not on my wish list but neither will it make me go away.

However the metagame will, but that's in there just a long way away.

basti · 2013-01-26, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

You mad your pet ideas are being hilariously downvoted?

Btw, I participated in the outfit wars. I STILL disagree with this.

Im not.

Its due to two reasons: presentation, and content.

I didnt present my stuff very well, and the content isnt what people want it seems.

Im giving it another go with a proper text based presentation. Once the time is right. :>

Emperor Newt · 2013-01-26, 04:12 PM

So can anyone actually explain to me (and maybe others who don't have a clue) how the esport mode(s) for PS2 are supposed to work?
I played several shooters competetivly but I fail to understand how esports can be implemented into PS2 without creating a second game.
Thanks in advance.

p0intman · 2013-01-26, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Emperor Newt

So can anyone actually explain to me (and maybe others who don't have a clue) how the esport mode(s) for PS2 are supposed to work?
I played several shooters competetivly but I fail to understand how esports can be implemented into PS2 without creating a second game.
Thanks in advance.

it can't. its forcing instancing.

Originally Posted by ringring

'Listen to' does not mean obey and never has. Neither does 'take into account'.

They'll listen and take into account but that poll was just an opinion poll and not an instruction for them to obey.
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Why ask for an opinion, if in the end, it means fuck all? Don't ask for opinions unless you intend to somehow show you care about them.

I have no illusions about it, but they've claimed more than once that this is a discussion. No, a discussion implies a back and fourth conversation. This is a one way speech from SOE saying 'this is how it is'.

basti · 2013-01-26, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

In other words, "Your opinions mean fuck all, htfu and deal with it".

if its already decided, why bother with this farce?

Imo, if SOE were to listen, they'd be willing to rethink and trash ideas that aren't wanted.

imo, he had his opinion made up before beta even began. date means nothing.

Actually, date means a lot.

Thanks to the MLG announcmen and the roadmap, SOE now actually knows what players think, as opposed to listen to the very few comments we made (as it never was a hot topic until now).

Will it still happen? I bloddy hope so, because its the right thing to do. Its really not a question of "should it", but "how should it". Make sure it doesnt affect the main game much or even at all, means dont allow outfits to 24/7 hop into instances and completly avoid the actual game. Let them just be in there for events, and events only. Only if SOE gets them into a Instance people can get in.

And thats whats likley going to happen. Why? because the community said so AGES ago, and SOE actually does listen, you are just to blind to see it.