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2013-02-09, 06:22 PM | [Ignore Me] #137 | |||
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What are you adding to this with posts like that? It looks to me that you didn't bother to read the post you quoted and slapped a L2P reply down full of woulda, shoulda, coulda. He said that their defenses where overrun, so that means the gens are out and all shields are as well and yet you asked why a MAX would be covering that area. A massive open door that had both enemy troops and armor entering in force, and you ask why he was defending it. This is in no way a discussion if one side refuses to even read the others thoughts and experiences. |
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2013-02-09, 07:20 PM | [Ignore Me] #138 | ||
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And I gave very valid points and supporting facts to "our" viewpoint. Do you not agree that infantry battles/fights occur more frequently in CQB situations than mid to long range?
Yes, I am asking why a scat/hacksaw max would be defending such a WIDE open area when you guys all prominently say how horrible your MAXes are at range. Which is a very well know fact that I won't disagree with at all. So if he had of known that like he does, why would he be in a position on the lower level where he is hardly effective at all and now near a stairwell, or perhaps the capture point or the SCU generator. I'm trying to visualize the scenario he is stating and telling him, like what other NC members have stated to the rest of us (VS/TR) as in, how we shouldn't engage NC MAXes within 10m or die. And I am telling him where he went wrong. Also, I would gladly help "test" but as it stands right now my laptop I'm on cannot run PS2 as I am on business travel. And it doesn't require PSU forum members to do these tests. Just do it yourself with outfit members. Not difficult at all. |
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2013-02-09, 07:31 PM | [Ignore Me] #139 | ||
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WOOT! Grinder is not in this mess! I preffer the Grinder over hack/scat any day! Glad my babies are out of this "discussion." :P
Ok ok, say if the devs did listen and replaces the Hack/Scat/Grin, what suggestions would you guys give to change our weapons? Would you want it to shoot love and flower pedals? lol but in seriousness what would replace our shotguns? I noticed that even our ESF has a f*cking shotgun as its ES weapon. Last edited by BIGGByran; 2013-02-09 at 07:35 PM. |
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2013-02-09, 07:52 PM | [Ignore Me] #140 | |||||
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"I'm really tired of people using the "scatmaxes suck at range" argument to justify the dominance of scatmaxes. If the game were a simple death match with wildly varying terrain types you'd see infantry in, that might be a valid argument. But this game revolves around base captures, which is where the bulk of infantry combat happens. All Points of interest in base capture (generators, scu, towers, buildings) force cqc, and this is where you see maxes. It is very, very easy in this case as a max to control the engagement so that you only engage at your optimal range. You would actually have to try harder in order to NOT engage at close range. In all of these scenarios, the brutal effectiveness and advantage scatmaxes have over their other empire counterparts is clear. NC maxes have capabilities that the other empires simply do not have. This is the same reasoning behind the magrider nerf (poorly implemented as it was), and so should be sound reasoning behind a scatmax nerf." Also, there is no need for your experiment. Again, we all agree that scatmaxes are ineffective outside of the 0-10m range. That's not what's being disputed here.
Barring that, I think slow-firing hard-hitting Gauss Cannons would fit the NC MO nicely. |
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2013-02-09, 08:15 PM | [Ignore Me] #142 | |||
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Back on topic. Are you now telling me that you WANT NC MAXes to camp in the smallest of places and are agreeing that they have little to no value outside of a pure CQC area? The very thing you and others have been auguring your hate over? Make up your mind man. To answerer you first question. The way I see fights go is them starting at long range and slowly getting to CQC. With most of time spent getting to the CQC areas and once there fights are over in moments. Med range is what Id call the norm, around the 50m mark that covers a courtyard. This is of course if the base is defended. Ghost caps ignore most of this and it's a bum rush to the cap point and spawn camping. Attackers have to now work to enter a courtyard and it's a battle in itself over the shield gens and control over that courtyard to let attacking armor in for a mob-up. It's only after the attackers get past that is where real CQC fights happen and before then both the TR and VS MAXes HGM type weapons are FAR better. They can be used at near any range to lock down an area with their ammo supplies and not having to reload after every burst. A TR or VS MAX at 30m is DEADLY to troops, a NC MAX at that range is shit. TR and VS MAXes rule courtyards, NC MAXes only rule indoors. Edit addition- -Varsam Sorry about seeming to ignore you and not fully reading your post. It takes me a LONG time to type out my thoughts and often a few others post before I can finish. (this one took 30-45 minutes, and the edit alone took another 10). Here's a reply to your repost. "NC maxes have capabilities that the other empires simply do not have. This is the same reasoning behind the magrider nerf (poorly implemented as it was), and so should be sound reasoning behind a scatmax nerf." That isn't true. It's true that NC MAXes are better indoors, but ONLY indoors and are outplayed by everything in the game outside of CQC. I see it as the TR and VS MAXes having abilities the NC MAX doesn't. Being able to engage and kill at near any range. That's why Mags got nerfed. They could keep firing on targets while never having to be at risk themselves thanks to their movement. NC MAXes are forced into grenade spam areas and infantry fights if they want to be of use. With the limited ammo and constant reloads needed a NC MAX can never take on more than 3 people before being forced into a retreat even within those 5m. Last edited by Chewy; 2013-02-09 at 08:32 PM. |
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2013-02-09, 08:45 PM | [Ignore Me] #143 | ||
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NC max needs moar dakka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQWq1Z-J-EE |
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2013-02-09, 11:08 PM | [Ignore Me] #146 | ||
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Of course since the nc scat mac is so op then there have to be a few dedicated nc scat max users on the top of the leaderboards. Show me your proof that this unit is op.
Edit*. So I took my own advice and looked at the leaderboards here on psu. For Connery I only looked at the top fifteen. The first eleven were all engineers, number twelve is a HA and the rest are engineers. Fourteen out of the top fifteen mostly play engineer which means that they are mostly all HE kill whore spawncampers. Air did not deserve the flak armor buff they just received in the last patch. Last edited by Sledgecrushr; 2013-02-09 at 11:23 PM. |
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