Anybody else delete their Vanu character after the new update?

[Forsaken One]

I laugh at every Muppet who says "Its cause of the Vanus colors"

No its not.

I was Vanu since release. I liked that the Vanu were the only ones to believe in freedom. (The NC just want to have everyone be slaved to $ like this world. and the TR just want to rule everything.) I also liked that the Vanus colors made them stealth like.

After the Mag nerf I said to myself. "Ok, they made our tank shit which was the only thing going for us, so for the heck of it I'll test drive the other factions."

Do you know what happened?

As both NC and TR with their guns I easily tripled my KDR. as Vanu I would lose over 75% of 1v1 firefights, both long range and CQC. As NC and TR I did decently Vs NC and Tr and just shat all over vanu players.

Now I don't jump on shit thats oped, but I'm sorry if I refuse to play a very gimped team

Vanus "mobility" tanks are pointless.
Vanus ESF Is much more a pain in the ass just to keep in the air let alone fly compered to the other two.
Vanus inf weapons are crap.
Vanus max is a joke. I wouldn't use a non burster Vanu max if it gave me certs just to pull and didn't cost resources to use.

[KodanBlack]

Play the game how you want to play it. Personally, I like playing the underdog faction at this time. Heroic last stands, and desperate assaults are fun to play. As long as you don't mind your KD going down, the fights are epic and a hell of a lot of fun!

[WSNeo]

Originally Posted by Forsaken One

After the Mag nerf I said to myself. "Ok, they made our tank shit which was the only thing going for us, so for the heck of it I'll test drive the other factions."

Do you know what happened?

As both NC and TR with their guns I easily tripled my KDR. as Vanu I would lose over 75% of 1v1 firefights, both long range and CQC. As NC and TR I did decently Vs NC and Tr and just shat all over vanu players.

I regularly hear this from Vanu players especially when trying the NC. The NC's weapon motif have always been more damage per shot so VS players are surprised at the speed that they take down targets with NC weapons, compared to VS weapons.

Also VS cosmetics are fine, and if you let colors affect your faction decision over the unique playstyle that each empire adopts then then you are playing the game wrong from the get-go.

[Whiteagle]

Originally Posted by Palerion

So, people are left with the aesthetics of the faction which, quite frankly, are awful. People generally don't want to be dressed in all-purple tights. If they want the Vanu population to return, they need to do some cosmetic overhauling; make the vanu look a bit more badass.

I'll keep saying it man, SOE needs to start a Vanu Schism!

[Assist]

Originally Posted by Illtempered

Not me. I love being outnumbered, so VS is right up my alley. It's the whole reason I chose the purple guys on VS Markov ten years ago.

"We're surrounded? You mean we can attack in all directions!?"

There's a difference between being outnumbered and getting crapped on night after night. I get that you don't see it that way, but a lot of VS do. I think it shows in the numbers of people leaving the Vanu week after week on Waterson.
Waterson VS had it nice and easy when we owned Indar, it worked out only because NC was the same population. Now NC is much higher, if not the highest, and the VS are still low. We're completely irrelevent, despite what some believe. We get continents during off-peak hours and just get pushed around during prime time playing hours.

For those of us not in large outfits, we're screwed. We have to go where to big vanu zerg is, because there's only one vanu zerg on Waterson. We don't get to choose where we want to fight, if we go to a continent that the large outfits are not fighting on, we get outnumbered 10:1. If we go where the large outfits are we're just another number of the zerg. Basically all options are removed for us that are not a huge coordinated platoon. While fine for some, it blows for the rest of us. It really blows for those of us who are attempting to accomplish the goals of the game (remove enemy continent locks, gain locks for your faction). This has more to do with the large outfits on Waterson being completely incompetent than game design though.

To give an example, right now on Waterson VS we have 33% Indar pop(duh), we have 6% Amerish pop, and 22% Esamir population. We're being warpgated on both sides by the NC and TR on Esamir and TR has the lock. (Northpoint and Stillwater are owned by TR, NC own Grey Heron and Nott). So, while we have some population there the VS are so incompetent that it doesn't look remotely fun to fight against platoons. There's no organization and no larger outfits on Esamir, so nothing is going to be accomplished. So basically the only chance of having a fun fight, with a chance of winning a few zones, is going to Indar. Which we all know is a futile effort in terms of goals of the game.

This has nothing to do with being the underdog and fighting all directions. There's a huge difference between being the underdog and being the losing side day after day and having no chance to change that. I enjoy playing arena shooters as much as the next guy, but I didn't decide to put time into PS2 for a regular arena shooter. But that's all this is currently for the VS on Waterson. Our goals stretch as far as winning a single base, which when you boil it down is no different than winning a CTF match in a CoD type game.

[Neutral Calypso]

Vanu took Indar on Connery. Your argument is invalid.

[Ghoest9]

Actually Vanu won an Indar event Sat on Indar when i was on too.

Their population is a but low because of purplr and aliens - but mostly this is a just a fake whine because they want to be over powered again.

[FaxManiac]

Originally Posted by Ghoest9

Their population is a but low because of purplr and aliens - but mostly this is a just a fake whine because they want to be over powered again.

Seriously... ?

What Assist said is exactly what is happening on Ceres too, us VS have about the same population as the ones on Waterson and it is indeed getting tiresome...

[Falcon_br]

Originally Posted by Assist

There's a difference between being outnumbered and getting crapped on night after night. I get that you don't see it that way, but a lot of VS do. I think it shows in the numbers of people leaving the Vanu week after week on Waterson.
Waterson VS had it nice and easy when we owned Indar, it worked out only because NC was the same population. Now NC is much higher, if not the highest, and the VS are still low. We're completely irrelevent, despite what some believe. We get continents during off-peak hours and just get pushed around during prime time playing hours.

For those of us not in large outfits, we're screwed. We have to go where to big vanu zerg is, because there's only one vanu zerg on Waterson. We don't get to choose where we want to fight, if we go to a continent that the large outfits are not fighting on, we get outnumbered 10:1. If we go where the large outfits are we're just another number of the zerg. Basically all options are removed for us that are not a huge coordinated platoon. While fine for some, it blows for the rest of us. It really blows for those of us who are attempting to accomplish the goals of the game (remove enemy continent locks, gain locks for your faction). This has more to do with the large outfits on Waterson being completely incompetent than game design though.

To give an example, right now on Waterson VS we have 33% Indar pop(duh), we have 6% Amerish pop, and 22% Esamir population. We're being warpgated on both sides by the NC and TR on Esamir and TR has the lock. (Northpoint and Stillwater are owned by TR, NC own Grey Heron and Nott). So, while we have some population there the VS are so incompetent that it doesn't look remotely fun to fight against platoons. There's no organization and no larger outfits on Esamir, so nothing is going to be accomplished. So basically the only chance of having a fun fight, with a chance of winning a few zones, is going to Indar. Which we all know is a futile effort in terms of goals of the game.

This has nothing to do with being the underdog and fighting all directions. There's a huge difference between being the underdog and being the losing side day after day and having no chance to change that. I enjoy playing arena shooters as much as the next guy, but I didn't decide to put time into PS2 for a regular arena shooter. But that's all this is currently for the VS on Waterson. Our goals stretch as far as winning a single base, which when you boil it down is no different than winning a CTF match in a CoD type game.

The truth it is that the Waterson VS is very dumb.
TR high command on Esamir got a standard tactics, go get Mani Biolab, go get Andavari Biolab, go get Eisa.
You guys are trouble makers, we have no quarrel to see you trying to take Eisa, it is vital to everyone, the principal problem is that you are dumb and like to hit a bee nest!
Ever time we are pushing the NC warp gate near jaeger crossing and jaeger fist, you guys capture haven outpost, north weigh station, and Freyr, it is really stupid!
Why don't you take advantage we are gating the NC and take all the west portion of the map? Why you guys don't attack Eisa? Why you must keep gating us with lost and lots of anti tank mana turrets, anti air maxes and full squads of lancers? I don't know how many time my prowler of liberator blowed up the moment I leaved the warp gate because of a full attack of no warning instant hit anti tank weapons.
So the truth is the Vanu is not full of scientist is full of people with the will of dying, because everytime we got gated by the VS I join forces with ODAM and Legion XIII just to make sure you guys will understand why you shouldn't attack who wasn't attacking you.
Also on Indar, it is common to leave the warp gate with a full galaxie, just to be under attack from VS idiot squads, full of anti air and anti tanks from over a canon, without any VS territory near them. When this happens I just change my platoon waypoint from the point we was going, to go rape the nearest VS territory, to make them pay in blood for that!
This same tactics is used on tawrich, we are getting tanks, and before we can control them, they blow up from engi rockets and lancer shots from over the canon, we were going to attack the NC on crossroads, now we are going to rape some VS on Indar because of that!
Yesterday on Eisa, the NC was near taking control of the base, and the VS repaired the SCU 20 seconds before the base flip, it ruined the TR attack on it and was the dumbest thing I ever saw!
After 30 minutes attacking it, a VS platoon arrived on site, one other side of Eisa was under attack by the VS, the other side under attack by TR, we got the base shield generator down, but we could not go in because the VS keep attacking us instead of blowing the base horizontal shield generator! The NC wasn't defending the base because there was no need of it, the VS was doing it for them!
So my conclusion is, or the VS is full of griefers and trolls, or they are really dumb and hate the TR on Waterson.

Also on Jaeger server in the first 3 month of the game they ruled the population count, even with that, the TR with the lowest population of the server, managed to control all the 3 continents, every weekend. It is not about numbers, it is about making it happen.

[Snoopy]

^Not enough dumb in this post.

[Whiteagle]

Falcon does have point, for all your organization you Waterson Vanu have a bad habit of pissing off the TR to your own detriment...

For instance, Saturday Night my Outfit had our Bi-weekly Op and when we started the Squad lead believed we were stuck on Indar.
As such, we decided to push towards the NC Warpgate and take their Continental Bonus from them...

...Might have worked, but at least a squad of Indar Vanu decided that then would be the PERFECT time to push to OUR Warpgate and cut us off, pissing off the Zerg and redirecting their focus Northwards...

We were dug in at ARC Bioengineering man, if they had pushed NC instead we could have jointly neutralize the Continent!

[Snoopy]

There's always a faction that does that, though... generally the least populated. The TR (smallest faction on Briggs) would do it to the VS every time we hit Mao Tech when we had the death valley warp gate.

Now that we have the northern wg, we just get ganged, while the two other factions ignore each other.

Fun times...

[Whiteagle]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

There's always a faction that does that, though... generally the least populated. The TR (smallest faction on Briggs) would do it to the VS every time we hit Mao Tech when we had the death valley warp gate.

Now that we have the northern wg, we just get ganged, while the two other factions ignore each other.

Fun times...

Hey we were sticking to the fucking ridge this time man, it was that asshole Vanu Squad that crossed that line and screwed it up for everyone but the NC...

...My more paranoid side would claim that this was probably the work of NC Vanu alts, but it's only a somewhat likely possibility...

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by Assist

There's a difference between being outnumbered and getting crapped on night after night. I get that you don't see it that way, but a lot of VS do. I think it shows in the numbers of people leaving the Vanu week after week on Waterson.

So why do you think this is happening? Why do the VS have a consistently lower population than the other two factions? Do you think it is purely a vehicle/weapon balancing issue, something to do with the aesthetics or the background lore of the Vanu or something else completely?

We need practical ways to address this issue before it gets out of hand and VS players start disappearing from the game permanently.

Sonny

[Whiteagle]

Originally Posted by Sonny

So why do you think this is happening? Why do the VS have a consistently lower population than the other two factions? Do you think it is purely a vehicle/weapon balancing issue, something to do with the aesthetics or the background lore of the Vanu or something else completely?

We need practical ways to address this issue before it gets out of hand and VS players start disappearing from the game permanently.

Sonny

Personally I think it was poor representation in the Empire Showdown...

First you got stuck with an Internet Celebrity who knew nothing about the game and who presented your Faction's fanaticism as a comedic psychotic mania, then you got what's-his-name who was probably a much better leader in-game but lacked the force of personality to attract NEW gamers to the Purpleside.

This is why I think the best solution would be for SOE to engineer an artificial Schism within the Vanu between a new charismatic leader toting a badass Vanew look and the Tobuscites flaunting a flanderized Purple Spandex Dino-saucer Bug armor.

Yes, this will promote infighting within the Vanu as a whole, but it will also boost their numbers while garnering attention for the game as a whole.