So basically the game is still broken?

FreeSpeech · 2013-04-21, 04:24 PM

After taking a break for them to sort out the many issues with PS2, we come back after a giant patch or 3!

(1) Anti Tank mines don't seem to detonate when you place them under a parked Sunderer any more - great bug that

(2) NC vs TR & VS balance is still unaddressed - the NC guns basically suck ass vs anything in comparison on the other two factions. Engineers in particular are simply outgunned regardless of which carbine you use.

(3) VR room is nice, but doesn't actually help in the end due to the balance issue above.

(4) Cosmetic differences are nice.

(5) Spawnkilling still an issue.

So essentially the game is still broken. . . .

WSNeo · 2013-04-21, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by FreeSpeech

After taking a break for them to sort out the many issues with PS2, we come back after a giant patch or 3!

(1) Anti Tank mines don't seem to detonate when you place them under a parked Sunderer any more - great bug that

Not a bug. This is intentional since mines are designed to explode when driven over.

(2) NC vs TR & VS balance is still unaddressed - the NC guns basically suck ass vs anything in comparison on the other two factions. Engineers in particular are simply outgunned regardless of which carbine you use.

User error apparently. VS and TR weapons received buffs most recently and several common pool (NS) weapons were added.

(3) VR room is nice, but doesn't actually help in the end due to the balance issue above.

VR room has been asked since beta so that people can test weapons, frames/chassis, abilities, damage, etc before investing certs in to them. That had no intention of being contributed to balance, only player satisfaction and preventing buyers remorse.

(4) Cosmetic differences are nice.

They've only gotten nicer with helmets able to use camo, and VS touchup

(5) Spawnkilling still an issue.

Welcome to valid base/outpost capture tactics.

Also lol @ your signature

"TR and the VS are overpowered - the NC really need some love. Scythes are miles better than any ship, the Reaver has NO advantages over other aircraft, our tanks don't strafe about, our guns (stock and bought) can't hit for crap compared to VS/TR sniper miniguns with high accuracy and they even have to hack with their EZ mode guys!"

Phantomdestiny · 2013-04-21, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by FreeSpeech

After taking a break for them to sort out the many issues with PS2, we come back after a giant patch or 3!

(1) Anti Tank mines don't seem to detonate when you place them under a parked Sunderer any more - great bug that

(2) NC vs TR & VS balance is still unaddressed - the NC guns basically suck ass vs anything in comparison on the other two factions. Engineers in particular are simply outgunned regardless of which carbine you use.

(3) VR room is nice, but doesn't actually help in the end due to the balance issue above.

(4) Cosmetic differences are nice.

(5) Spawnkilling still an issue.

So essentially the game is still broken. . . .

i see how arrogant you are , (1) that's a mechanic not an issue . they figured out that mines were mines and not boomers/C4 . mines are made to be placed on the road as traps therefore the dev team "fixed" the exploit of putting them under parked vehicles.

(2) i have no idea what you've smoked to say that NC guns are worse than any other faction.

(4)did i already mention that you were being arrogant?

(5) explain?

Rothnang · 2013-04-21, 04:48 PM

Tank mines aren't bugged, they were fixed. It was stupid that you could kill any vehicle by just making a suicide dash at it and throwing a few items.

The weapon balance is pretty good at the moment.

Spawnkilling has never really been a huge issue in this game to be honest, since by the time you're being spawncamped the base is lost anyways. The problem is much more the fact that the tug of war mechanic typically comes into play after the defenders have already caved and are locked in the spawnroom, not before, so a lot of new people get confused and think they are still supposed to fight when they are just 3 guys in a spawnroom surrounded by an entire army. The game just gets a lot of stuff out of order when it comes to capping bases. The mechanics should be such that you need to take a base from the outside in, steadily decreasing the amount of space that you can't penetrate while the defenders are pushed further back. By the time they have only the spawn room left the base should simply flip and the fight should be done with.

Sledgecrushr · 2013-04-21, 04:50 PM

Planetside 2 is great for me. Just an opinion though.

MrMak · 2013-04-21, 04:53 PM

The reason NC guns were "worse" is the flinching mechanic favored high fire rate over damage. That has been fixed since.

AS for the rest of your post how exactly does any of that make the game "broken"?

Spawn camping will happen no matter what the devs do. It IS harder to do without overwhelming numbers now but it is not something that can be "fixed".

Also being slightly hindered in using mines as det packs (how they are NOT supose to be used) is hardly a valid complaint let alone an indication that the game is "broken".

Please come back when you have some sort of real and informed complaint.

AThreatToYou · 2013-04-21, 04:57 PM

The reason NC guns were "worse" is the flinching mechanic favored high fire rate over damage. That has been fixed since.

yep.

Snydenthur · 2013-04-21, 05:49 PM

Why do so many people always say that vs guns are the best? In truth, they are the worst. Not enough for it to actually matter at all or have any sort of balancing issue, but still, they are the worst.

Stardouser · 2013-04-21, 05:52 PM

Even with flinching fixed, rate of fire and accuracy is king. This is why tr and vs weapons outmatch NC, people try to sayNC is fine based on the ttk numbers on paper. They also use the same to claim vs is worse because of on paper lesser shot damage -again,rate of fire and accuracy matter most.

Sunrock · 2013-04-21, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by FreeSpeech

(2) NC vs TR & VS balance is still unaddressed - the NC guns basically suck ass vs anything in comparison on the other two factions. Engineers in particular are simply outgunned regardless of which carbine you use.

Really? I agree that there is some OP weapons out there that needs to be balanced. But NC have there share of them too.

As a TR player I some times think all our faction specific guns sucks compare to the other two factions as well. Especially as many of the are buged and does not always register damage at all, like the striker that only do damage ever 2nd shot after the first reload.

Sunrock · 2013-04-21, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Stardouser

Even with flinching fixed, rate of fire and accuracy is king. This is why tr and vs weapons outmatch NC, people try to say NC is fine based on the ttk numbers on paper. They also use the same to claim vs is worse because of on paper lesser shot damage -again,rate of fire and accuracy matter most.

Of course accuracy is king but do not pretend that accuracy is worse on NC weapons. Sure you are not talking about bullet drop? And no those two are two different thing. RE: rate of fire. That is more about play style then anything. If you're good at aiming and have a cool head its allot better to have higher damage per bullet then higher rate of fire where each bullet do less damage.

TBH I would love to trade some of my TR specific weapons for you NC specific weapons.

Sunrock · 2013-04-21, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Snydenthur

Why do so many people always say that vs guns are the best? In truth, they are the worst. Not enough for it to actually matter at all or have any sort of balancing issue, but still, they are the worst.

Well it's true that not all VS weapons are better then the two other factions. But VS shotguns can 1 shot things form allot further away then any other faction and as 99% of the VS use those shotguns.....

Snydenthur · 2013-04-21, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sunrock

Well it's true that not all VS weapons are better then the two other factions. But VS shotguns can 1 shot things form allot further away then any other faction and as 99% of the VS use those shotguns.....

Not true. At least pump actions are copies of each other. Vs has less bullet velocity though. And most of the people use carbines or lmgs anyway.

Stardouser · 2013-04-21, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sunrock

Of course accuracy is king but do not pretend that accuracy is worse on NC weapons. Sure you are not talking about bullet drop? And no those two are two different thing. RE: rate of fire. That is more about play style then anything. If you're good at aiming and have a cool head its allot better to have higher damage per bullet then higher rate of fire where each bullet do less damage.

TBH I would love to trade some of my TR specific weapons for you NC specific weapons.

No, not bullet drop, I am talking about cone and recoil. Most weapons seem to have good first shot accuracy, it's just that non-NC empires can hold down the trigger.

Just take submachine guns for example - the NC's larger magazine variant, GD-10, is crap at both hipfire and aimed down sight, whereas the Hailstorm and Sirius are excellent at both. Sirius I'm not sure yet as I haven't tested in extensive combat, but the Hailstorm is good enough to function as an assault rifle for aimed down sight, except for it being a little weak per shot (compared to TR assault rifles, not comparing to other empire SMGs).

Has anyone actually categorized "play styles" and made real arguments for the play style justification? I am asking for real, not suggesting that they have or have not. I will say that if your playstyle is to actually attack objectives, leading you to encounter close range fire a lot, then at close range the TR and VS weapons are definitely winning through rate of fire and lesser cone.

Snydenthur · 2013-04-21, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Stardouser

No, not bullet drop, I am talking about cone and recoil. Most weapons seem to have good first shot accuracy, it's just that non-NC empires can hold down the trigger.

Well, actually nc weapons are the most accurate. They have less random deviation and less horizontal recoil. They do have more vertical recoil, but if you just pull your mouse down, the vertical recoil doesn't really exist in any faction. At some point, yes, vs and tr weapons might be a little bit more accurate when going fully auto, but at that point target should be dead already. And full auto is very inaccurate anyway at longer range, so it shouldn't be used. I didn't check all the weapons though, just carbines since they are the weapons I have the most experience with.