MeanWhile Free 2 Play are struggling, PAY 2 WIN Players are doing this with resources - Page 10

Crator · 2013-07-15, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

Of course they are in outfits and outfits are pretty key for free players. Any free players reading this... find a big outfit that does combined operations and you won't have as big of an issue with personal resources. Outfits all tend ask who wants to pull air, vehicles or maxes so that free players don't feel obiligated to use resources they don't want to. More often than not it's the paying players like myself that freely pull what our outfit needs because we know we can get the resources back quickly. Vehicles tend to run in 2 person teams so that both players pool their resources to keep a vehicle out on the field. ESF and Lighting users are more on their own.. since those are 1 person vehicles.

To add to this, you can get away with not using too many resources to travel by simply using the 'Redeployment' and 'Instant Action' options on the map. I use them a lot, even when I'm in a squad or have a bunch of resources to use. Squad Beacon is good to use as well if in a squad. If you use all the options available to you to get around then you shouldn't have many problems with resources when you do want to pull something to get somewhere you need to be. Use the Flash the most if you have to get somewhere quickly.

EvilNinjadude · 2013-07-15, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by Crator

To add to this, you can get away with not using too many resources to travel by simply using the 'Redeployment' and 'Instant Action' options on the map. I use them a lot, even when I'm in a squad or have a bunch of resources to use. Squad Beacon is good to use as well if in a squad. If you use all the options available to you to get around then you shouldn't have many problems with resources when you do want to pull something to get somewhere you need to be. Use the Flash the most if you have to get somewhere quickly.

Hah, you forgot the most powerful of all, the squad deploy. Deploy on precise position of squad leader in ten seconds or less, cooldown of five minutes. OP as of current date as it allows one person in an ESF to drop 44 people onto a base of their choice in less than half a minute.

That said, I find myself maxed out on vehicle resources often. Why? I mostly pull flashes or hitch a ride in friendly vehicles, as well as redeploying very often. Flashes are not as insignificantly cheap as they used to be, but still very much so.

Dreamcast · 2013-08-30, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrec

See the OP's post, I quote below:

That's the OP's post, with bits cut out. He's complaining about resource boosts giving people more grenades, mines, C4, etc... than someone without a resource boost.

So, my previous post makes perfect sense as a response to his "claim". I made new characters recently that didn't have the certs to unlock all that resource intensive ordinance. I did not notice any degradation in my performance for not having that.

Hence, being a member, or just buying a boost is not going to guarantee someone better combat performance. That premise is flawed.

OF course is not a guarantee...but had a more resources gives you more power/possibilites...It is a benift, no way to deny it.

Again, you do know that the whole game right now is fighting over resources, right?

You get 10% discount if you capture a continent....to a Paying member, this doesn't matter because he always has resources.

Also if Resources didn't matter like you claim...Then why isn't 90% off Resources when you win a continent?

Could it be that it will be overpowered as fuck to have an Empire with 90% off resources?...Of course, the Devs already thought about this, thats why is 10% off resources.

Resources Matter!

Originally Posted by EvilNinjadude

By that I mean that he feels entitled to as many mines and grenades and C4 and vehicles as he wants, and feels they are vital to gameplay, and then complains when someone who has actually paid money for the game gets more resources.

You're not meant to spam things nonstop. Even paying players can't do that.
Maybe it's just because I run around with an Annihilator and enjoy reviving people and playing as infantry... or because I'm a bad tanker. But I don't feel that vehicles are really necessary in this game if you've certed into stuff like Striker/Annihilator and AV MANA turrets. They're free, FFS. They kill stuff real good and fast.
Yet everyone "needs more" vehicles and explosives because they can't find another way to counter them.

Also, see above for a real Pay 2 Win game. Lol. If you think Planetside 2 is Pay 2 Win, you need to go play some real Pay 2 Win games. Otherwise you'll sound like heartbroken 10-year-olds having an emotional outburst on facebook about the "love of their life".

When did I say All players should spam everything forever?.....Im saying the Opposite.

Paying members get very damn close to have infinity spamming ability...I am against that.

I play infantry all the time and rarely use explosives, even when I had excess resources because of XP boost.

Like I said the Pay 2 Win in this game is hidden...You don't feel it in 1 vs 1 situations.

But is there hidden with some players have a way bigger stockpile of vehicles/aircraft/consumables.....That is power.

Chaff · 2013-08-30, 01:07 PM

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GladUmad,

You have an outstanding BR, and a very good K/D. Stat-wise, you seem to be doing quite well in this game. Why are you so bent ?

However they do it, SOE does have to find a way to continually generate money from PS2. If they don't, it will die - just like PS1.

I'm fine if they change the rseource accumulation system to make it more fair. You have an important point your're making. I think you could deliver it better. I do think you doth potest too much - especially when YOUR stats indicate you are doing very very well. It surprises me that as good as you're doing that you seem so bent over "theoretical & Peceived" advantages others (paying customers) have. How big of an "advantage" do they have if you're powning far more than you're being powned ? Stat-wise, you're doing better than most PS2 players.

Again, SOE needs to generate money. The devs, Smed, T-Ray, Higby,.... THEY DON"T COME FREE. A huge team is needed to keep the game running - much less improving it as any pace whatsoever.

If you truly are a F2P player, careful not to bite the hand that feeds (FREEly) feeds you. You are getting FAR MORE than you pay for. The World doesn't "owe" anyone squat.
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maradine · 2013-08-30, 01:26 PM

Vile necromancy.

EVILPIG · 2013-08-30, 01:49 PM

Shame on you for bringing this back.

DynamoECT · 2013-08-30, 02:34 PM

I see the massive gap in time between posts hasn't led to a coherent argument yet. You have your opinion, lots of us disagree with it, can we let it die now?

Ghoest9 · 2013-08-30, 03:57 PM

1 the Op is a liser for doing necro.

2 the Op is clueless.
I recently got my aux mdal for land mines and then swiched over to going pure SMG.

You get more kills over time and stay alive longer using the SMG only.

Living on AP mines as a primary is the opposite of play to win.

Redshift · 2013-09-01, 09:57 AM

Well it's not really P2W but i agree the whole resource thing is fubar right now,

unfortunately there is no option but to wait until the resource rehash

EvilNinjadude · 2013-09-01, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by Redshift

Well it's not really P2W but i agree the whole resource thing is fubar right now,

unfortunately there is no option but to wait until the resource rehash

Indeed. So I come back from the holiday to find this thread revived. Why people why. They said they'd change it, (after the optimization which we ALL know EVERYONE wants) so why are we not letting this thing die

RIP thread

Falcon_br · 2013-09-02, 04:50 PM

I just want to inform you guys that my alpha squad booster is expired.
Is like losing a family member, it will be forever remembered!
It is just really, really strange to play this game with a maximum level prowler acquisition timer reduced and don´t have resources to get one each 5 minutes! I want my 2.500 certs back!
Also, I didn´t got auraxis in c4 when I could, now for the first time I must think before spamming it! It is bad, real bad! Before I could just grab light assault, fly to the top of a building of a bio lab, thrown 2 c4, explode, resupply, do that again for hours!
And I still have my membership bonus!
I think the game must be unplayable with the standard resource rates! Because with 50% it is almost impossible to play it the way I am used to play! Now I can no longer get free libs to my pals because I had infinite prowlers to use!

KesTro · 2013-09-02, 09:04 PM

If you think this is pay 2 win you haven't played very many MMO's AT ALL. This game is FAAAAAAAAAAAR from pay2win. If anything it's pay2benefit. Which it has all the right in the world to be. SOE is first and foremost a business and there needs to be a great enough incentive for people to keep their subscription.

Would you rather them get weapons exclusive to members? I thought not.

kubacheski · 2013-09-03, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by KesTro

If you think this is pay 2 win you haven't played very many MMO's AT ALL. This game is FAAAAAAAAAAAR from pay2win. If anything it's pay2benefit. Which it has all the right in the world to be. SOE is first and foremost a business and there needs to be a great enough incentive for people to keep their subscription.

Would you rather them get weapons exclusive to members? I thought not.

True statements there. Its not like a BR1 can pony up some cash and be as effective as a BR100. You don't pay to "be better than" other people, you pay to be faster to get a few things and faster to replenish and etc. etc. Everything that a paying customer can purchase, a freebie can grind to get. yea it takes longer, thats the model, but you can get it. There is no Pay only content. let alone any Pay only content that is overpowered to stuff the non-payer can get.