Ravens need to be adjusted big time

[Timealude]

I love how no one has a problem with the vortex :P

[typhaon]

Originally Posted by Timealude

I love how no one has a problem with the vortex :P

Everything VS is EZ-mode.

I think most don't even bother discussing it.

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

Dude, you must start playing the game.
Fractures need 10+ direct hits to kill infantry, much more if they have flak armor.
The time you could kill infantry with 3 fractures hits is a long time gone.
Fractures not even kill vehicles anymore, even a flash is taking 5+ shots to kill.
Nobody use fractures to anything right now, you just see pounders.
Pounders are killing infantry without reload now, something that didn´t happened before.
If they want to give balance, all long range AV max weapons must become useless against infantry, Fracture, Raven and Comet must have the same time to kill to kill infantry.
And I die to comet and raven at close range all the time. Fractures kills after the balance patch are the lowers from all MAX AV weapons, it is just useless against any target.

If you need 10+ hits to kill infantry with Fractures, then you are not getting direct hits. That's splash with some lucky shots. And if someone has maxed flak though it takes 6 direct hits thanks to flak halving both splash and direct AV damage.
340/2=170
1,000/170=5.88

You still have 20 rounds in total anyway. If you can aim, landing the 15% to 30% of your shots in a dual mag is very doable with a COF of .3. Having a 2 second reload isn't that bad either seeing how NC MAX AI weapons need 3-4.3 seconds.

Fractures are not suppose to be a high damage weapon anyway. They are a LONG RANGE weapon. They do very well against vehicles in my opinion. They may say just 315 direct, but what resistance do they use and what multiplier does that resistance have on what vehicles? Fractures are a pain in the ass to fight against. Get a Frac MAX with lockdown at range and have a user that can aim and it will take out a sunderer before its owners have time to get enough repairmen on it to counter the damage stream. Iv seen that happen many times, after the nerf. On my sunderers as well that I don't leave alone.

All of that doesn't change that Fractures are a better version of a dual slugged NC MAX. 2,000 certs for Fractures, 3,300 certs for dual extended slug MAX. 1,800 certs if you want to use Grinders that have the worst COF and reloads.

Some times I need an entire mag dump or 2 to get an infantry kill with Ravens. You don't see me bitching about that do you?

This isn't a good response, but. Learn 2 Play. NC gets told that in near every post we make about weapons and have been since Beta. Welcome to the L2P team. You'll find cookies on the table to your right.

[Falcon_br]

Originally Posted by Chewy

If you need 10+ hits to kill infantry with Fractures, then you are not getting direct hits. That's splash with some lucky shots. And if someone has maxed flak though it takes 6 direct hits thanks to flak halving both splash and direct AV damage.
340/2=170
1,000/170=5.88

You still have 20 rounds in total anyway. If you can aim, landing the 15% to 30% of your shots in a dual mag is very doable with a COF of .3. Having a 2 second reload isn't that bad either seeing how NC MAX AI weapons need 3-4.3 seconds.

Fractures are not suppose to be a high damage weapon anyway. They are a LONG RANGE weapon. They do very well against vehicles in my opinion. They may say just 315 direct, but what resistance do they use and what multiplier does that resistance have on what vehicles? Fractures are a pain in the ass to fight against. Get a Frac MAX with lockdown at range and have a user that can aim and it will take out a sunderer before its owners have time to get enough repairmen on it to counter the damage stream. Iv seen that happen many times, after the nerf. On my sunderers as well that I don't leave alone.

All of that doesn't change that Fractures are a better version of a dual slugged NC MAX. 2,000 certs for Fractures, 3,300 certs for dual extended slug MAX. 1,800 certs if you want to use Grinders that have the worst COF and reloads.

Some times I need an entire mag dump or 2 to get an infantry kill with Ravens. You don't see me bitching about that do you?

This isn't a good response, but. Learn 2 Play. NC gets told that in near every post we make about weapons and have been since Beta. Welcome to the L2P team. You'll find cookies on the table to your right.

Get in the game.
Go to the training room.
Shot some infantry, count the hits.

Originally Posted by Plaqueis

You do realize that Comet doesn't belong to that combo? Vortex does, have you ever tried killing infantry with it?

I have used both of them. You say Fracture no longer kills infantry.. well Vortex never did. Not that it matters, since they both suck at it equally now.

And Fractures kill vehicles just fine, infact i'd prefer double-Fractures over double-Vortexes in any situation.

Dude, I said long range Max AV weapons.
I don´t know why do you use Vortex for long range kills, I use comets.

[KesTro]

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

Dude, I said long range Max AV weapons.
I don´t know why do you use Vortex for long range kills, I use comets.

Because Vortex's are the long range versions of the comets? Comet's are just strong, very very very strong.

[Plaqueis]

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

Dude, I said long range Max AV weapons.
I don´t know why do you use Vortex for long range kills, I use comets.

Just out of interest, what role is Vortex supposed to play then? I mean the performance is (now) similar as Fracture, they were introduced in same patch along with Ravens... i've always thought Comet belonged on same 'group' with Pounder and Falcon..

[Falcon_br]

Originally Posted by Plaqueis

Just out of interest, what role is Vortex supposed to play then? I mean the performance is (now) similar as Fracture, they were introduced in same patch along with Ravens... i've always thought Comet belonged on same 'group' with Pounder and Falcon..

Well, when ZOE was broken, My liberator was shot down by Vortex all the time.

I do think that Vortex is more a close range AV weapon to the VS, because they already had the best long range one, it is clear that the comet is better at long range then Pounder and Falcon, so they placed a close range AV weapon the the VS.
The point is, only Comet, Falcon, Raven and Pounder are killing infantry, that must be fixed. Raven killing much more then the other 3.

[KesTro]

I see comets kill more infantry than I've ever seen ravens kill on a daily basis. Even still it's not some huge glaring issue 'anything' in enough numbers is going to annoy 'anyone'.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by typhaon

Pounders are the OP AV now.

So long as the AI Pounder never makes a comeback.

[Falcon_br]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

So long as the AI Pounder never makes a comeback.

Come on dude, AI pounders were the best time of my life on PS-1!
On hack panel of a tower, with more 2 TR maxes, all on deploy and some engineer repairing us.
Grenades set to bounce.
We hold the line against 50+ players trying to get to the hack panel of that tower, it was a glorious night, too bad someone had the idea to hotdrop on the top of the tower and spoil the fun.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Falcon_br

Come on dude, AI pounders were the best time of my life on PS-1!
On hack panel of a tower, with more 2 TR maxes, all on deploy and some engineer repairing us.
Grenades set to bounce.
We hold the line against 50+ players trying to get to the hack panel of that tower, it was a glorious night, too bad someone had the idea to hotdrop on the top of the tower and spoil the fun.

Imagine how annoying it was when the Pounders had Pounders covering against droppers too