A small Idea for basic engineeres

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by Krinsath

Well, a few things...

1) The vehicle repair tool does indeed take up a rifle slot.

Yeah, I know. Medical Applicator and BANK don't, however, and given that they're the most popular support tools I don't think the caulk gun changes things.

2) Advanced Medic is 5 certs...at a low BR that means they have given up being an AV trooper, a MAX, a Sniper, or even a SA user. It is a sacrifice to become a support soldier and they are NOT always as effective at killing (Suppressor vs. any HA = dead).

This is a pretty ridiculous statement. Who in their right mind, at BR2, blows all their certs on support? You've got to be really new to the game to do something like that. No person who is serious about contributing to a fight would buy Advanced Medical even before getting at least Medium Assault, unless they're one of the people who thinks the surpressor is a very good weapon, which some people certainly do.

3) Why SHOULDN'T they get experience for it? Are they not using their cert as intended? That's why ANT drivers get XP, they're using they ANT to do it's job. Same logic on the weaponry...when you get a kill you're doing your job. Why should support be second class?

Support should be second class because it is second class. Once I hit BR 20, I could, if I wanted to, have Advanced Engineering, and Advanced Medical if I decided to spend my two spare certs on another Adv. certification. But, the point is that I am absolutely not, by any means at all, a support player. I snipe, and grunt when the situation calls for it, and I do it well despite having so many support certs. The benefit is that I am also a greater asset to the squad, because I can also heal/repair guys.

The point I'm making is that you're asking why support should be a second class role, when support isn't even a role. Anyone who plays support only and doesn't use their weapon is not seriously playing with effectiveness and winning in mind, they're using a gimmick. The day that support people give up their ability to kill enemies with weapons is the day they become a role into and of themself. Right now, support is a little footnote after someone's real job, be it HA infantry or sniper or infiltrator or whatever. There are no non-combatants in Planetside.

4) They've giving up certs on the CHANCE that the guy they just healed is going to kill someone else IF they're in the same squad (which isn't damned likely). That's the kind of odds I'd expect in Vegas, and it's not entirely fair. Of course, the guy you just rezzed has no armor, so you need to fix that...what's that you say? I'm up to 8 support certs now? Boy...I'm glad I don't get any experience from this!

How much does MA cost? Three certs? I have no problem getting kills with a cycler or sweeper. I don't know what you're making such a fuss over. Unless you get Advanced Medical/Engineering/Hacking, you've got plenty of certs left over for weapons and armor and maybe a vehicle or two, but even if you got all support certs, you'd still have some left over to pick up even Heavy Assault, if you wanted to.