Gun Control

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Originally Posted by ziegler

I did...hell...I lived through it. you stated there wasnt a natiowide gun ban.

Since when are rifles guns?

There was, you asked for proof, I posted it along with proof that it was ineffectual and did nothing at all.

And again you completely and deliberately ignore the REASON for why it was ineffective: they were hardly used in the first place for crime!

If you want to make an impact, you remove the stuff that is used most! NOT JUSTTHE STUFF THAT IS USED THE LEAST.

You can't make any statements or claims regarding any other gun law based on a token law that you knew in advance would not be effective because it couldn't possibly have a huge impact!

All it shows is that you banned too few guns and the wrong types at that! (Even if assault rifles should ALSO be banned, because they're mostly used by nutjobs). In fact, the only reason that federal law passed, was most likely because the Republicans knew it wouldn't make much of an impact as they knew very few people would be affected by that law. How can you be so obnoxious as to then make sweeping general statements concerning guns that ARE used on a daily basis for crime by the hundred thousands?

How many numbers of assault rifles do you think that law banned? A few hundred? A few thousand? You're insane if you expected that does anything to 60 million gun owners. Especially if you, after banning the sale on it, don't actually go out and have those rifles that are already out there returned.

In order to ban guns nationwide....would take a constitutional amendment.

Yes, it would, including the revocation of the right of states to determine this, since if you allow it in one state, then the other states suffer from it. It has to be a full and total ban, including revocation of previously owned guns or it will be ineffective, certainly in the short run.

One would be insane to think that just passing a gun restriction law or a compromise that allows people to retain any gun rights they had in the past would affect crime statistics within two decades. Certainly not if you can just go to a state next door and evade the entire law and avoid registration altogether.

And even then, it would still take a civil war. Cause you would quite literally have to remove those 60 million registered gun owners weapons by force and then you'd have to worry about those of us who own unregistered weapons and will never give them up....from our cold dead hands as the saying goes. There isnt a police force in the USA that wants that propostion, and there are many that would probably be on the side of the people refusing to disarm. Most americans have been taught, and believe, when the government asks for your guns, it's time to kill the government.

Yes, you are a nutty, murderous people indeed: You'd rather kill your entire law enforcement apparatus than give up your right to killing equipment. No, that's going to take a bite out of crime!

Right. I don't believe it and neither should you. You underestimate the will of people to live and avoid getting hurt. If some nuts start shooting at law enforcement who have a legal warrant, without trying to go the legal route, public opinion will soon turn against you because they will see you as the threat to national security, NOT the police. In fact, you'd only confirm an image that gun owners are irresponsible people who'd murder for no good reason at all when they throw a tantrum.

Fact is, you're not actually prepared to kill over the access to a mere object and if you are, you should be in an institution for the mentally deranged. Threatening with insane scenarios is one thing, acting on them an entirely different one. I don't think you quite realise how gun revocation would go: it would go one area at a time, starting with the most criminal ones.


People have done quite fine without wearing swords on the street. People have done quite fine without gentlemen's duels being fought to "settle one's honour". People will do fine without guns. The evidence is provided by an entire continent of independent people that are far saver on a per capita basis.


If you have a vested interest in high crime and murder rates, I could understand you to support gun laws. In any other case, you're indoctrinated into the marketing plan of gun producers of believing you need it without wanting to realise it's the products of those same producers you want to defend yourself against.



Btw, if you want to change the government, why not just vote for a different party? Sure, in your crap dictatorial election system it will take some time, but it's still possible.