Gun Control

[Helwyr]

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

No common ground? I disagree. The welfare and safety of people seems to be the main concern of both "sides".

You'd have to explain what you mean by the "welfare and safety of the people." If you seek that via proactive intervention by the state/government, then no it isn't shared. The collectivist coercive pursuit of welfare for all is apt to result in the slavery of all. And likewise the pursuit of "safety" result instead in tyranny.

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

[...]I also don't believe that any police officer or public official should ever be allowed to act out against the people they serve. That however isn't something which can be fixed by use of firearms or the threat to use said firearms.

"Allowed", when you say that I feel like you imbue it with mystical properties, that grant it significant meaning and power. If rule breaking and initiated violence can't be fixed by the use of firearms why "allow" the police, military, or any other agents of government to have them?

My last link of the speech made by a Chinese immigrant to the US, responded directly to what you're saying here. Here it is again in case you missed it

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

Nor is that what the debate and consequently the gun restriction should be about. It's not in anyone's power to stop people from killing other people, what can be done is minimize what kind of killing takes place and to which degree.

What kind of killing are you trying to minimize? Not the type that accounts for the most deaths it seems, or else we'd be talking about automobiles or medical errors. Or if restricting ourselves to "weapons", we'd be talking about disarming governments not regular civilians. I believe the number of murders by governments since the beginning of the 20th century is estimated to be in the 280 Million range (this doesn't include combatants in wars).

If you're really concerned about saving lives and stopping violence, maybe that's where we can find common ground. In advocating the curtailing of government power to wage wars on other people, tyranny on their own people, and death and destruction on a scale no mentally ill lone gunman could could conjure up in the sickest of dreams.