MAX Balnace Part 4: Everything AI

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https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/...ing-ai.139234/

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-WARRING-
Long *** post below. There will be no TL : DR. If you don't bother to read, then Im not going to bother to read either. Fair is fair after all.
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First you need to see everything. If you don't read these links then you will not know all of the details.
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/...t-1-nc.138919/
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/...t-2-tr.139047/
https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/...t-3-vs.139055/

Once you know the details (or skipped them like a lazy *******) it's time to compare them all. Everything I am using to compare is going to come from those link above. That is the reason I am doing this. To show once and for all just how ****** MAX balance is for AI weapons. Please do not bring up MAX AV or AA weapons into this. They need their own work to get the math for them. I can not do the same tests and use the same numbers for AV and AA that I used for AI. Damage resistances make that impossible, having each AV weapon use its own rules does the same. There will also be NO TL : DR.


With that out of the way, lets start. More or less the hard parts are over with the getting of the data and making it readable. This post is simply to put it all in once place and use it all against each other so see how is the best. Player skill and luck will change things but that is for the better and the worse. The facts are if something can't do well in perfect tests then it has less odds of doing well in the chaos of live gameplay.

First up is this. A sum of the tests results for ranges between 0m and 30m. Please note that NC data is for 0m, 10m, 15m, and 20m and TR/VS data is for 0m, 10m, 20m, and 30m. I was forced to cut the NC data like so because of NC weapons failing to kill with entire ammo pools at 30m for about 3 of the 4 AI weapons.

NC MAX AI weapons. Results in order of 0m 10m 15m 20m.
Scattercannon-
0% miss _______12.24% miss____38.56% miss___53.7% miss
5.96 TTK_______6.57 TTK_______17.51 TTK ____31 TTK
1,677.85 DPS___ 1,522.07 DPS___571.1 DPS____ 322.58 DPS

Hacksaw-
0% miss________39.63% miss ___58.35% miss____68.07% miss
6.01 TTK _______11.63 TTK _____32.33 TTK _____80.66 TTK
1,663.89 DPS ___859.84 DPS ____309.31 DPS ___123.97 DPS

Grinder-
0% miss _______26.9% miss _____49.94% miss ___63.76% miss
2.16 TTK _______7.63 TTK ______16.1 TTK ______32.53 TTK
4,629.62 DPS ___1,310.61 DPS ___621.11 DPS ____307.4 DPS

Mattock-
0% miss ______2.92% miss _____26.46% miss ____46.13% miss
6.3 TTK _______6.32 TTK ______7.52 TTK _______13.26 TTK
1,587.3 DPS ___1582.27 DPS ___1,329.78 DPS ___754.14 DPS



TR MAX AI weapons.Results in order of 0m, 10m, 20m, 30m

Heavy Cycler
0% miss________2.87% miss_____38.15% miss___59.02% miss
5.17 TTK_______5.4 TTK________8.67 TTK______16.4 TTK
1,934.23 DPS___1,851.85 DPS___1,153.4 DPS___609.75 DPS

Onslaught
0% miss________<1% miss_______35.58% miss__52.81% miss
4.8 TTK________5.12 TTK_______11.03 TTK____17.34 TTK
2,083.33 DPS___1,953.12 DPS___906.61 DPS___576.7 DPS

Mutilator
0% miss________<1% miss_______42.92% miss____55.54% miss
5.17 TTK_______5.25 TTK_______9.4 TTK________12.35 TTK
1,934.23 DPS___1,904.76 DPS___1,063.82 DPS___809.71 DPS

Mercy
0% miss________<1% miss_______24.88% miss__41.17% miss
5.63 TTK_______5.3 TTK________10.5 TTK_____12.57 TTK
1,776.19 DPS___1,886.79 DPS___952.38 DPS___795.54 DPS



VS MAX AI weapons. Results in order of 0m, 10m, 20m, 30m.

Quasar
0% miss________<1% miss_______35.23% miss____51.61% miss
5.25 TTK_______5.34 TTK_______8.41 TTK_______14.31 TTK
1,904.76 DPS___1,872.65 DPS___1,189.06 DPS___698.81

Nebula
0% miss________<1% miss______35.36% miss____54.43% miss
4.85 TTK_______4.92 TTK_______9.82 TTK_______14.71 TTK
2,061.85 DPS___2,032.52 DPS___1,018.32 DPS___679.8 DPS

Cosmos
0% miss________<1% miss_______39.2% miss_____53.98% miss
5.25 TTK_______5.28 TTK_______8.96 TTK_______12.11 TTK
1,904.76 DPS___1,893.93 DPS___1,116.07 DPS___825.76 DPS

Blueshift
0% miss________<1% miss_______<1% miss_______12.63% miss
5.65 TTK_______5.79 TTK_______6.55 TTK_______11.88 TTK
1,769.91 DPS___1,727.11 DPS___1,526.71 DPS___841.75 DPS


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Now to do a side by side for common ranges. Sadly NC weapons can't go to 30m but for 1 maybe 2 from ammo pool limits. So I will limit to 0m, 10m, and 20m for all 3 and only use TR and VS for 30m. The 15m tests for NC will be ignored as there are no TR/VS tests for the same range. The 30m tests I will assume NC is a no contest.

The weapon order for the list will be as such.
Default (Sact, Heavy C, Quasar)
Fast firing (Hacksaw, Onslaught, Nebula)
Big mag (Grinder, Mutilator, Cosmos)
High aim (Mattock, Mercy, Blueshift)


TTK-
0m_________10m________20m________30m
TR>VS>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC
TR>VS>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC
NC>TR>VS__TR>VS>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC
TR>VS>NC__TR>VS>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC


Totals
1st_____2nd__3rd
NC- 1___0____15
TR- 5___11___0
VS- 10__5____1

No contest in my opinion VS MAXes take the lead hands down in TTK.


DPS-
0m_________10m________20m________30m
TR>VS>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC
TR>VS>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC
NC>TR>VS__TR>VS>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC
TR>VS<NC__TR>VS>NC__VS>TR>NC__VS>TR>NC

Total
1st______2nd__3rd
NC-1____0____15
TR- 5____11___0
VS- 10___5____1

Iv seen this before.


I could do one for miss %, but this is depressing. NC as 1, just ONE, place it has a better TTK and DPS and that is point blank with Grinders. NC MAXes are **** according to this data. While TR is the middle of the road AI MAX without having to worry about much at all. VS on the other hand are GODS. Look at the data and you'll see that Tr and VS stats are so close that you can more than argue that they can be equal. Being .0X off in TTK is not a thing one can use to gloat.

I ask again. How the hell does the VS have a bad MAX? No. No, the question is now a "HOW THE ****" not a "How the hell". From what Iv looked at in the GU updates the weapons they have now are damn close to what they had at launch! Some even said VS MAXes got nerfed.

Where is the OP in NC MAXes? I don't see **** that even hints at OP. In fact I see NC MAXes as the worst of the 3 BY FAR! You know what? NC players have been saying this for months now. Now we have proof saying it.

I wait for the debate. But if you guys don't bring your A game and do better than the **** site PS2-stats.com that CAN'T give current data then I feel sorry for this community. Spin this as you can. I hunger for the fight.

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