Surge Thoughts

[Hamma]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/index.php?newsid=674

[EarlyDawn]

Option number two would be... game changing, to say the least.

[dscytherulez]

OMG...if they change it ima flip out, even though i have rexo and HA anyway...but not being able to have it equipped...thats just crazy...

[Ghoest9]

#2 would make cyclers the new pet whipping boy.

I think.



EDIT: I vote for 3.

[Otis]

YES!
IT IS TRUE! I LOVE SOE! I AM NOW WILLING TO PAY $20 A MONTH!
Ok maybe not but I'm pretty damn happy. Surge will no longer work while holding a weapon. HELL YES! I guess the NC will have to think of a new tactic becouse there will be NO more flying around with Jackhammers baby, NO MORE!

[Flammey]

Option # 3. Surge was meant as a way to move away fast, or to move in fast. People just hopped on the idea that it could be used as a way to attack fast, and in doing so became exploited by a lot of people.
Option # 2 it not exactly feasible. PS is assuming all the soldiers are fit, fitness wise, and are able to lift heavy weapons. Option # 1 is the worst, as players will find a way around it, and find a new exploit. Why not just kill 2 birds with 1 Planet? Make it so people can't surge with a weapon out.

Oh, and my reason clarified is the Option # 1 and 2 won't solve the problem, it'll only slow it down for a time. People will still use surge and HA. They might be content with Rexo enough to still use it. Only option # 3 will solve the problem completely for those find this a problem to begin with.

[Veteran]

Removing Surge is the best long-term solution. Increase the footspeed of Infiltrator armor by 15%, Standard by 10%, Agile by 5% and kick the broken piece of crap Surge to the curb. Replace it with a new, cooler, yet less broken implant and the game would truly surge.

Surge sucks in a game that uses Client-Side Hit-Detection. Warping the game around it is a huge waste of energy. It has caused enough problems and ill-will in the player-base. Time to stop it.

[BadAsh]

Reason prevails! I�m glad to see a reasonable solution is in the works.

1. If they fix the warping alone I�d be happy.

2. Rexo pre-req? My only issue with that is you won�t be able to use HA right out of Virtual Training. It�s already got a pre-req of Medium Assault, adding Rexo would make 5 pre-req cert points to just get it and it still costs 4 by itself. So that�s 9 points tied up� though most people get Medium Assault anyway unless they are strictly a driver/pilot. Perhaps some tweaking of cert costs is in order here, perhaps make the Rexo 2 and HA 3? But, I�d be happy with this solution with the fix above.

3. Having weapons holstered while surging makes a lot of sense to me. So I�d be happy with this solution with the fix above.

Now perhaps people will get more vehicle certs and the game will have more variety of implants rather than EVERYONE having Surge and maybe1 or 2 others.

BadAsh

[Warborn]

Either works for me. I'm not sure which I'm in favor of, but I think I'm leaning toward... yep, definitely leaning toward no weapon out while Surging.

[WritheNC]

I'd like the Rexo for HA idea.

If that was a prerequisite though, I'd have to say HA goes down to 3 points, since you're already spending 5 just to get it.

I really hope the warping thing is fixed though, most of all.

[Ait'al]

Implants give you an edge in combat situations. That's what they DO! You might also complain that personal shield is cheap because "I totally was shooting him first but he didn't die and killed me anyway." Or whine about second wind saying "I threw three plasma grenades at him and suddenly he healed. WTF!!!?!?"

Or perhaps advanced targeting "How did the sniper know I was almost dead and shoot me? That's cheap he can magically know that!!!!"

I like him. 8)

and are you people stupid. once they remove the glitch they wil then have to worry about tehre stamina again which will cut in to it and rexo like a hot knife through butter. atleast i would imagine! What is with everyone and trying to change everything inthe game to fit your fighting style. everyone, and worse on this forum than the official, bitches about anything that can doanything to there style of fighting and is trying to get it removed. Ad now because of it all the smaller characters, like infs and medics etc, have been wiped our. They only did it because of shit like this. atleast the OF people are to stupid to put up enough of an argument to get htem to change things. THINK ABOUT IT!

The thing has had a glitch for how long. Stop bitching, and stop trying to make them completely redesign it! Let them fix the known problem. And for heavens sake if you then complain because its affective at all in combat because someone shot you, even though from the users side htey have to put up with all the things like stamana drain and they killed you by being patient and using it right, just shoot yourself self. Ive seen all my favorite things about htis game be wiped out already. This is getting annoying! Your not going to have a game much longer at this rate.

So please tell me when this game gets fucked up enough the Devs will back the whole thing up to its orriginal design.

I think the only thing that should be done is teh have the glitch removed so that the stamina drain can once again have an affect on people who use surge like it was meant. Anything more, i beleive, would end up just being overkill to please everyone who just wants to neuter it so it cant ever be used against them.

Surge was never a problem...INTILL... someone stumbled onto the Agile + Surge + HA combo.
From there things just kinda snowballed as players found that it was a very EASY way to get high kill runs...and we will not EVEN go into the exploits that came with it.

Surge is not realy the problem right now either...it is the COMBO that is upsetting everyone. It is just like when everyone and thier dog found out what a GREAT MOWING machine the AMS was before the BP. It got WAY out of hand..and in order to keep this game on the right track, it needed to be addressed..and was fixed.

Can we say, IQ test required to play htis game from now on! 8) Please please please dont let me hear anyone saying htis on here. just let the stamina drain do its work. i dont see anyother implant that is armor specific. that would just be cruel. If none of the other implants dont have that sorta extreme on them please dont push them to do it on this one. Just look at it form a purely balance issue, and i mean one considering more than on peice of armor?!?!?!

ok he even admits it and wants to change it because it will sitll let people use it. 8\

Something realy needs to be done about the Jackrabbits. If they could fix the code to prevent warping...then I think the Surge protest would die out...but my crystal ball says the EASIEST way will to change Surge in some way.

Friends dont let this happen to friends!

Yes modifying the entire game, when you could just fix a simple glitch, is the best possible answer. Are we all seeing the patter now!

Everyone has gotten completely inpatient and has stopped trying to worry about how much impact things will have on hte game, and stopped carring if it affects anyone but themselves. LOOK AT YOURSELFS, MAN!!!! this is getting crazy. And its just as bad here as on the OF. So get a grip on yourselfs!

this isnt to be obnoxious, im just in a weird mood.(not including that last paragraph) 8) Have to blow off energy. But that still leave every thing i said as ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!!!!

Just remember now if the stamina drain has to be considered the heavier the weight the quicker the drain. Im just hoping that includes weapons weight. IF thats not in it they need to add that.

I wanna kill you Otis!

Edit: me has an idea! Lets take the whole game back into beta with only the most balanced and considerate players and let them really go over game balance and fix the whole thing. ^^ IE people who can look at the design of all things in the game and think of more subtle way to fix things and encourage game play.

[Veteran]

What is with everyone and trying to change everything inthe game to fit your fighting style.

I use Surge all the time and I'm always saying that it's busted. I would rejoice if it were removed entirely.

Surge is broken on many levels. I will never accept it as fair in a game with a CSHD model or a game that proposes to make vehicles valuable. Running from a geowarp to a base on one tank of stamina is just wrong.

[Ait'al]

Then they should just increase the amount of stamina drain a little, or something to that affect.

[Warborn]

Originally Posted by Ait'al

What is with everyone and trying to change everything inthe game to fit your fighting style.

Using Surge and a bolt driver I'm able to kill a lot of people by shooting them twice point blank. They can't land enough shots on me, and I only need to land two shots on them, which is extremely easy at point blank. I will get far less kills up close (FAR less, as in I probably won't be able to kill anyone who survives the first hit by the bolt driver) if I couldn't Surge while using my bolt driver. But, I'm still all for it, because killing people that way reminds me of when I get killed by surging Jackhammer people. There are better ways to die than to be killed by some surging guy.

[Vernam]

I like the idea of making reinforced exo a pre-requisite of heavy assault, but a lot of people don't like reinforced exo, they should at least give the reinforced exosuit a buff, like an extra 50 armor.