WTF TR and VS?

[FireWolf22]

Have to agree LoneHunter it can be turned around, but last night was a perfect example. The VS held Amerish, Esamir, Oshur. TR held Forseral, and Ceryshen. The NC held Solsar, start in on Forseral, We were pushed back off Amerish during the 1.5 hrs I played last night. On Searhus, VS held 3/4 of the bases and tr 1/4, then all fighting stopped and the VS moved to Cyssor. On the third tr home cont(can't remimber the name, the north desert cont) the TR owned 3/4 and the VS 1/4, then all fighting stopped there and the TR headed to Hossin. We held Solsar for that 1.5 hrs. It was like the TR and VS were okay with getting an even split then calling it off. Maybe it's still just us bitching, but that was how it looked. Not saying alliance, don't want to point any fingers and this been a coincidents or happenstance, but it sure as hell looked like something. You decide what.

[Diddy Mao]

it's as much fault of the NC as it is the Tr and VS

[FlakMan]

We've been picking on the TR for a while, it's the NC's turn

[Neon Apocalypse]

thats wrong, the TR attack amerish all the time, it happens atleast twice everyday

[Lonehunter]

I always refer to Amerish as the Seventh ring of Hell.

[BUGGER]

Well gues what, us and NC teamed up once on Markov to kick the Vanu out of Ish, once that happened, we kicked you guys out too, then you got pissed and all three of us fought on Cyssor.

Hmm some happy family

[FlakMan]

Bugger, we're talking about Emerald, not Markov

[Kyonye]

yeah this is in Emerald forums, not markov. anyway, the TR were getting creamed up until the patch. i was barely seeing vs and nc fight. maybe like up to 4 weeks before the patch did i see real fighting between nc and vs. yeah they fought here and there but not much.

[THrONeBeaST]

So many times i seen the Vanu move up north on ish and then the NC come from the south and push the TR off and fight eachother for it.

[BDMJ]

If the TR defended ish properly, you wouldn't see as many double teams on it. The NC is double-teamed on cyssor so regularly due to failure from the top down with regards to defense.

[Manitou]

Originally Posted by BDMJ

If the TR defended ish properly, you wouldn't see as many double teams on it. The NC is double-teamed on cyssor so regularly due to failure from the top down with regards to defense.

So how would you defend Ishundar? Given these factors:
- Two "Massive Enemy Force" indicators, one south (Cong) and one north (Barney)
- Broken terrain between the north and south (no easy routes)
- TR Sanctuary WG that is a good distance from the main line of resistance
- Exceptional enemy air interdiction on 90% of the roads
- TR CR5s who can't decide if they want to defend Ish, go north, go south, run to Amerish, or pick their noses

I usually will not stay on Ishundar any more when the two empires decide to hit us there simply because it frustrates me when our forces are squandered in senseless deployments, or worse - they simply aren't told what to do at all. Doesn't mean I won't stand and fight if given the chance. The Dragon Wolves have decided to Alamo a few times for the sheer glory of it, but as for hoping to halt the offensive once its started?

[Fencer]

Originally Posted by SandTrout

Do you guys even know how to attack each other any more? ever since the new pop-caps, it seems that all you ever do is attack the NC's home conts.

I look at the map lately, and the NC home conts are underatack, and maybe searhus if the NC happen to hold it, but no TR are caping bases on VS home conts, and the VS aren't caping any bases on TR home conts.

Its realy becomeing rediculous. I haven't seen Cyssor blue since the last patch.

That's what you happens when you start making a million and one gloat posts about how bad ass you think you are, everyone wants to rip you a new one. It's not that TR and VS work together, we just now both hate NC more just like VS and NC used to hate TR more than anything.

[BDMJ]

The most successful defense begins before the continent is unlocked. If it is unlocked, and the double team is occuring, the only way to defend ish would be to hold the NC at bay in the south (the drive to enkidu is murder for armor) while using the enkidu link to back hack the vanu tech plant. The defense must start early, and decisive action must be taken the second the call to defend is made.

[Manitou]

I would tend to agree. We have talked about that before, and funny enough, we came to the same conclusion you just did. Sadly, we just can't muster the numbers, nor the attention needed to follow that game plan. Maybe someday!

Edit - when I say "we" I mean within the CDL.

[Firefly]

Originally Posted by BDMJ

The most successful defense begins before the continent is unlocked. If it is unlocked, and the double team is occuring, the only way to defend ish would be to hold the NC at bay in the south (the drive to enkidu is murder for armor) while using the enkidu link to back hack the vanu tech plant. The defense must start early, and decisive action must be taken the second the call to defend is made.

The only problem with this is, every time someone notices a hack on a locked continent (IF they notice), the empire is already involved in heavy action on several continents if they aren't already defending against a double team.

That, and most of the "commanders" are trying to earn another armchair-commando victory and will most likely say "Let them get a foothold so we can sweep in and retake the continent and get good XP and the Daily Winner award that means so much to effectively three people". Or words to that effect, I admit I paraphrased.

More often than not, coming in after even ONE base has been taken will result in a drawing of forces that will sucker us into a split trap, like Ishundar where you have NC at the south and occasionally west, and VS at the north... or Forseral, where the directions and empires may change direction locations.