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Old 2004-05-03, 05:35 PM   [Ignore Me] #46
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Hitler could not change the tide after Barborssa to say that Hitler could take on England and Russia is incorrect. I read rise and fall of the third reich and it talked about Operation Sea Lion that was supposed to take place on September 11th, 1941. The problem was the English Channel, hitler abandoned the plan and went after Russia, then Barborssa and El Alamein and the rest is history. About the French Resistance, the French back then were not like the pussy french we have today. They did help us in WW2. We should have left the french by themselves in Vietnam, Battlefield: Total Recall
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Old 2004-05-03, 05:36 PM   [Ignore Me] #47
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Originally Posted by HunterKiller
and if they would have developed their jet planes sooner.
Or if they made the A-Bomb quicker...they had the technology and were further in development than the US, but halted progress due to the war effort.

I don't know anything 'bout the resistance though...

Oh, and Hitler made 3 big mistakes, not just attacking the Soviet until winter.
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Old 2004-05-03, 07:14 PM   [Ignore Me] #48
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British, Canadian and Regiments of the British Indian Army, assault some of the beaches together.

Ironic that people complain that Canadians aren't really mentioned, and yet we have forgotten all about the Indian Army.

As for turning points in the War.
Hitler switch his focus after the defeat of the "Battle of Britain" you cannot shake that fact. If it wasn't for that singular effort, and if Hitler had continued his assault for even a month longer Britain would of lost it's entire Air Force. Lost of Air superiority would of lead to the eventually conquest of our Islands. This would of then gave the Germans a base to plant future defences against any future attack from the USA.

Second Point.
As oppose to popular belief that the USA was cause of the eventual victory of WWII is only half true.
Americans only won the Eastern Hemisphere side of the War.
The Russians won the original conflict, which is shown clearly when the war was unofficially ended when Russian Tanks after some impatient negotiation with its Allies, waited until Western half was close enought to Berlin before they rolled the Red Hammer into the city.
Russia is the real reason we won the war. Hitler underestimated the ferocity of it's people, its weapons and its capabilities. By the end of 1944, Russia had the most heaviest tanks that was practically invincible to any tanks of it's allies or german counterpart.
They had 100:1 ratio in terms of infantry, vehicles, aircraft (Such as the Anti-tank rocket firing busting Sturmovik IL-2 a.k.a FLYING TANK ).
And it was all thanks to Hitler, for turning like a rabie dog upon the sleeping bear. Don't attack bears. really.



P.S: also Britain was the central organisation HQ of all Partisan Resistance against the German in the WHOLE of Europe.
Without S.O.E we would never of got all those secret information, documents, tactical movements, and stragically crippling targets that made D-Day possible.

Oh and the British also designed the first Jet-Engine, But came second in production a working operational jet-aircraft behind the Germans.
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Old 2004-05-03, 07:43 PM   [Ignore Me] #49
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In response to earlier posts about the US sucking and not being important:

We held the Pacific front. We captured island after island leading up to Japan. We were also very important in the siege of France. We did two of the five beaches, took a ton of the towns there. The Soviets and British were also critical. The French were out of commission for the later parts of the war. The Brits, Americans, and Soviets were the only ones who hadn't either been wasted by Hitler, or captured by him.
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Old 2004-05-03, 08:48 PM   [Ignore Me] #50
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Originally Posted by Angel_of_Death
Or if they made the A-Bomb quicker...they had the technology and were further in development than the US, but halted progress due to the war effort.

I don't know anything 'bout the resistance though...

Oh, and Hitler made 3 big mistakes, not just attacking the Soviet until winter.
I saw this one History Channel thing about the Nazis and Nukes... the US thought they were going at a steady research clip, but in fact, they screwed up bad. They scarcely had any idea at all what they were doing.
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Old 2004-05-03, 11:03 PM   [Ignore Me] #51
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Originally Posted by BlackHawk
If it weren't for the Soviets soaking up 2/3rds of the German army for the better part of the war, the western Allies never would have made it to Berlin.
And if it weren't for Hitler being a power hungry fucking nut he wouldn't have attacked the soviets. Of course if Hitler hadn't of been a power hungry fucking nut, he wouldn't have started invading countries sooo...yeah.

Dhark was right (hold on.................ok, sky isn't falling, whew!) in saying it was a joint effort. To put it in simple terms: A lot of shit went down, much of it because of the previous shit that went down. Trying to give credit to any one event is idiotic at best.
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Old 2004-05-04, 09:01 PM   [Ignore Me] #52
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Shit i would be a power hungry fucking nut if i won the 1st class iron cross of bravery in ww1 for being in a regiment that had everybody killed and had new people replaced 50 times!!!!!!!!!! and survived everytime and no one else did shit i would think i was on the top of the world...............................also i was watching the history channel about the german blitzkreig into russia trying to beat the winter, well anyways i cant remember the german tanks name but it blew up 43 russian tanks by its self and had to retreit because it was out of ammo!
then it showed a clip of when the russians invaded gemany and it showed russian and german tanks fighting in a destroyed city, and the german tank ended up getting blown up and like 5 seconds after it got nailed, a german soilder hoped out of the tank with only 1 leg and started hoping away! i was like damn thats one crazy ass fucking badass i would be laying on the ground screamnin or something!
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