Mcse

[Mauser101]

I'll be finishing up my MCSE either this semester, or the next. I'm wondering if employers are considering the MCSE to be enough for entry level network admin/desktop support personnel.

Obviously, I'll be continuing my education. I'll probably go Cisco next and take some webdesign courses, but I need to start making more than this warehouse job offers. (granted, it's me and 3 other people sharing a T1 connection at my current job)

[Sputty]

MCSE? What's that?

[Mauser101]

Microsoft Certified Systems Engineeer. It sounds cooler and more advanced than it really is. It basicly is a piece of paper and backing by Microsoft that says you know how to set up and administer a Win2k or WinXP network. (though realistically only real life experience will prove it)

[Dyganth]

www.google.com

but seriously, Microsoft Certified System Engineer, and i've read mixed opinions on certifications like that, some say they might hire based on it, some say they won't.

[Airlift]

Just keep in mind that Microsoft imposes a manditory 24 hour delay when trading back your certifications.

[�io]

There's a MCSE cert in Planetside???!

Damn Bill, he's getting his grubby hands on everything!

[OneManArmy]

"sure Mr. Vanu I'll set up your network for you. *snicker* [Mr. Vanu walks off]

*hack* *hack* *hack* *sub-station 3 is now under New Conglomerate control* hehe

[CDL Full Otto]

To tell you the Truth, I don't look for the MCSE tag (though I have one) If you get a chance to interview, the biggest thing is the willingness to learn and do what ever you need to do. I have a whole staff of MSCE's here (and a couple of CCNA's) that don't know the differance between a netware server and a domain nor understand what full or half duplex means on a lan card.

But they will tell you they are certified so they know what they are talking about! Sad


I would hire someone that shows willingness to learn, can remember what he/she has seen and done and has stuff to offer (nor always right but at least willing to put something on the table to help solve a problem)

I had one guy tell me that he deserves the job (during an interview) because he has his MCSE (no experiance and I think the class room was the only place he has EVER used a computer)

Say the least, he didn't make it back for a second interview.

Otto

[mistled]

I agree with the above, but all else being equal, having the MCSE will get you that interview before the guy that doesn't have it. Once you get to the interview, you're on your own though, don't reply on a cert to get you the job.

(I'm personally going for my MCSD .net at the moment)

[Psyklone]

I consider the MCSE to be completely useless. I've met some MCSE people that don't even know what DNS is. How can a 2000 MCSE not know what DNS is????
If I were hiring, I wouldn't even bat an eye at the MCSE. It might tell me that the person is willing to put forth effort in his/her new career, but that's about it.
The MCSE has been destroyed by all the boot camp style classes, and classes that simply teach you how to take the test. It does not prepare new IT professionals for their jobs.
That said, if the company hiring is small, and does not currently have an IT department, that could be a big plus to get you in the door.
Do yourself a favor though. If you're serious about IT, then study up for your CCNA cert. Cisco still makes sure people know the material before they can pass the test. That will look good on your resume, and more importantly, it can teach you quite a bit.

Good luck!

[OneManArmy]

well its simple, when you take those 2 week course on TV you are essentialy paying thousands of dollars for the paper not the knowledge. and a lot of people do that.