The Beginning of the End of the Republican Party?

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by ItsTheSheppy

Based on what evidence do you bet that voter or election fraud is worse than reported?

Because every other crime is worse then reported and there is no reason to believe election fraud is magically exempt.

[ziegler]

Originally Posted by ItsTheSheppy

Based on what evidence do you bet that voter or election fraud is worse than reported?

It's a victimless crime. Usually, those happen alot more than is tried and convicted.....take for example...pot smoking...you think only those caught and convicted make up the populace of people that smoke pot? how about prostitution? drunk driving? under age drinking? jay walking? Child molestation?........



http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...voter-id-laws/

is the closest I could find to verifiable cases of voters being denied. 9, out of 21 million....you'd think there'd be a website full of thousands listed....wouldnt there?

[Vecha]

Originally Posted by ziegler

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...voter-id-laws/

is the closest I could find to verifiable cases of voters being denied. 9, out of 21 million....you'd think there'd be a website full of thousands listed....wouldnt there?

I could do the exact same thing you just did with voter fraud.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...s-voter-fraud/

"You'd think there'd be a website full of thousands of voter fraud" to justify stopping those 9 people from voting.

But there isn't.


Also, I posted a site earlier that show statistics of the amount of people in Wisconsin that do not have the right form of ID.


More people vote in the presidential election than they do in primaries.

We will see how many are stopped from voting this November.

[ziegler]

Originally Posted by Vecha

I could do the exact same thing you just did with voter fraud.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...s-voter-fraud/

"You'd think there'd be a website full of thousands of voter fraud" to justify stopping those 9 people from voting.

But there isn't.


Also, I posted a site earlier that show statistics of the amount of people in Wisconsin that do not have the right form of ID.

More people vote in the presidential election than they do in primaries.

We will see how many are stopped from voting this November.

Except I have explained why victimless crimes go unreported, and even some victim crimes do as well.

I do believe that Tn had a very high primary turn out this year. I know the early voting was higher than normal for sure.

[Baneblade]

There is nothing inherently wrong with requiring picture IDs for voting. All of your arguments stem from the lack of a comprehensive national ID.

[Vecha]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

There is nothing inherently wrong with requiring picture IDs for voting. All of your arguments stem from the lack of a comprehensive national ID.

Agreed.

I'm not saying there is something evil behind the ID practice...it is how it is being executed that I begin to take issue.

[Figment]

If the issue is short term pre-elections changing rules to suddenly require something, fine, that is sad. Your states should not have different rules for federal elections though. They represent the citizens of the nation, not the states.

Btw. It is pretty stupid IMO to have presidential elections, it always leads to just two choices. The way we select our prime minister is by first having proportional elections for parliament. Parliament then creates a government coalition. Then the minister posts are distributed among the parties, usualy proportionaly though there are exceptions depending on how negotiations went. Typically the leader of the coalition's biggest party becomes prime minister. Sometimes they stay fraction leader in parliament and someone else from their party becomes prime minister. Rarely someone from another party is chosen, although it might happen in exchange for more ministrial posts, though that is unlikely. This way you get a prime minister that doesn't face a hostile parliament.

Of course our monarch is above the parties and is not allowed to suggest their prefered party, but till recently they did suggest which coalition formations should be considered first (it is tradition that the biggest party gets to start negotiations, should they fail, the second biggest can try. To ensure something happens even in a splintered landscape, the monarch used to make some suggestions based on the feedback received from each individual coalition member. Not being tied to a party, the monarch can have more strategic information from each party to make suggestions on how to proceed and to apply some pressure or force some openings if it takes too long). Of course monarchs aren't always a good thing, but we're pretty content with the ones we have had so far. They are constitutionalised of course, so the power lies with the populace first and foremost. It is however nice to not have money wasting election campaigns for both presidents and parties and that there are more than two options for prime ministers.

If you elect presidents directly, you always get a first past the post system that leads to just two candidates. Unless you let people give a wider choice by giving them two votes and more choices to pick from then two. That is the system the libdems in the UK want.

[Mutant]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

Red=Blue

So you going to vote yellow in November?

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Mutant

So you going to vote yellow in November?

If I'm eligible to vote (just moved to a different state), I'm voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

[Vecha]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

If I'm eligible to vote (just moved to a different state), I'm voting for Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

It'd be nice if RP or GJ could win...would be really refreshing.

Though...I'd rather see Gary in there.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Vecha

It'd be nice if RP or GJ could win...would be really refreshing.

Though...I'd rather see Gary in there.

All RP votes are going to GJ anyway. So either one is a vote for Gary.

[Vecha]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

All RP votes are going to GJ anyway. So either one is a vote for Gary.

They are?

Even though he was a Rep candidate?

I guess that's good...I can't see them getting anywhere near enough votes though.

[Baneblade]

Ron is retiring for politics entirely. He fought the good fight and made a bigger dent than most believed he could.

[Tooterfish]

I felt sick by the way Ron Paul was treated. This was a man that could have changed America, and the world for the better. Instead, we have yet another miserable crony. It is absolutely disgusting how the RNC has chosen to represent republicans everywhere.