Lancer makes zero sense....

[subDii]

In Higby's demo of the new rocket launchers he showed the Lancer hitting a mosquito with a fully charged shot, and the mosquito was brought down to 1/2 health (or was it 1/3?)... any who... I use an NS Decimator on my HA, and a ESF has never survived a single shot from one of them monster rockets... so when I saw that mosquito survive a fully charged lancer shot...

edit: After pondering the demo some more I'm realising that the super fast projectile speed might make up for lower damage versus the decimator rocket. But still feel the time it takes to get maximum charge + reloading time might make it worst than the decimator... hmmm...

[robocpf1]

Originally Posted by subDii

In Higby's demo of the new rocket launchers he showed the Lancer hitting a mosquito with a fully charged shot, and the mosquito was brought down to 1/2 health (or was it 1/3?)... any who... I use an NS Decimator on my HA, and a ESF has never survived a single shot from one of them monster rockets... so when I saw that mosquito survive a fully charged lancer shot...

A fully charged Lancer shot is still only 3 Lancer rounds, however, while a Decimator is a one-rocket-per-magazine hit or miss.

Imagine that the 6 Lancer shots are each roughly equivalent to 1/6 of that one Decimator rocket.

[subDii]

Originally Posted by robocpf1

A fully charged Lancer shot is still only 3 Lancer rounds, however, while a Decimator is a one-rocket-per-magazine hit or miss.

Imagine that the 6 Lancer shots are each roughly equivalent to 1/6 of that one Decimator rocket.

Well I'll be the first to admit mathematics ain't ma strong suit...

But when I saw that puny ESF survive what I thought would be a behemoth lazer in the face... I cried on the inside. haha

[WSNeo]

Originally Posted by subDii

In Higby's demo of the new rocket launchers he showed the Lancer hitting a mosquito with a fully charged shot, and the mosquito was brought down to 1/2 health (or was it 1/3?)... any who... I use an NS Decimator on my HA, and a ESF has never survived a single shot from one of them monster rockets... so when I saw that mosquito survive a fully charged lancer shot...

I'm unsure as to what point you're trying to get across. Are you saying that the Decimator is stronger than the Lancer and that that's a problem? If so I'd disagree as players that can actually hit an ESF with a Deci should be rewarded way more than a fully charged shot from a high speed projectile from the Lancer.

EDIT: That and the other Empires would whine their asses off even more than they will be once the Lancer goes live. >

[Rumblepit]

Originally Posted by subDii

Well I'll be the first to admit mathematics ain't ma strong suit...

But when I saw that puny ESF survive what I thought would be a behemoth lazer in the face... I cried on the inside. haha

when i found out we were getting a lockon rocket launcher i cried inside.
4 ways to be countered, flares, smoke,stealth,and break line of sight . all of which are in game. id say 75% of the population will be able to counter the all mighty striker whenever they want. ill stick to my av turret and my dual bursters

[Hobnail]

So...near-hit scan velocity doesn't excite you? Find another spandex weirdo and you can instagib ESFs once more.

[WSNeo]

Originally Posted by Rumblepit

when i found out we were getting a lockon rocket launcher i cried inside.
4 ways to be countered, flares, smoke,stealth,and break line of sight . all of which are in game. id say 75% of the population will be able to counter the all mighty striker whenever they want. ill stick to my av turret and my dual bursters

You DO realize that TR will be dominating the skies with the Striker regardless, just like they did in PS1 right? All you need is more than one Striker and any ESF/Lib will be screwed. Keep in mind that there are no incoming missile warnings so you can bluff aircraft into bugging it without questioning what type of missile is headed their way. As it stands, I'm pretty sure TR will have the strongest anti vehicle ESL with that burst fire mode. The NC will have the most annoying, and without cloak bubbles on AMSes, you will never keep an AMS alive with Phoenix rockets scouting the area constantly. Keep in mind that the game is not supposed to be asymmetric, how you engage each empire if supposed to be vastly different.

[Bobby Shaftoe]

They've done a combo on the Lancer, making it both 'OP' (charged mode) and rubbish at the same time (original single shot mode).

OP stuff: near enough hitscan (for those who thought PS1 Lancer was 'hitscan', this version killed you 5 minutes ago), apparently zero CoF (aka pinpoint accuracy) whilst ADS, only a 4 second time 'penalty' for using a full charge shot, no reduction in accuracy or velocity.

Rubbish stuff: horrendous ammo efficiency and vastly increased accuracy required in single shot mode to match charged mode damage per ammo.

Pet hate: Charged mode, the only thing worth using due to ammo efficiency/damage but has a clunky 4 second delay, in other words an artificial constraint in order to 'match' it with every other AV weapon out there, ie instant fire + travel time, now delayed fire + zero travel time. So they 'gave' us a rapid fire/highly accurate/'hitscan' weapon, but in order to make best use of it, you have to use a mode that mimics other launchers cycle times.

[DeltaGun]

The lancer damage is pretty underwhelming. You have to charge it for about 3 seconds, twice, to do the damage of a Decimator shot. It seems like it will be about 6-7 seconds to expend one magazine. That is... well we'll have to see how much the projectile speed really changes things.

[Timealude]

For the damage, cant you imagine having at least 6 people in your squad with those things? armor columns will melt to them.....

[ChipMHazard]

The Lancer's main thing seems to be its projectile speed.

[subDii]

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

The Lancer's main thing seems to be its projectile speed.

Yup, at first I didn't realise just how fast the projectile hit its mark. That quick-shot is pretty sweet now that I noticed it.

[Aaron]

The Lancer is supposed to be a group weapon. Just imagine having enough peeps to instagib an MBT. I'd think it also have some major KS abilities.

[Falcon_br]

ESF have 60% damage reduction to the lancer, they made it that way because it would be ridiculous to be one shot kill from longe range with a pin point fast hit no warning weapon.
But they also said that 2 combined lancers can do that.
Also, infantry got 80% damage reduction to it, so it is no longer a anti sniper weapon from ps-1.
Lancer is a Zerg weapon, a tank collum will not be able to advance on stack point if several lancers are waiting for them there.

[DeltaGun]

All weapons are better when 5 people are firing them at once. Lancer is not special in this regard. You'll have to try harder.