Gun Control

[Figment]

Originally Posted by Firefly

I believe in the analogy of sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs.

Do you believe in wolves in sheep clothing?

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by Figment

Do you believe in wolves in sheep clothing?

Is that about ex military or something more sinister?

[ziegler]

Originally Posted by Baneblade

I'm not talking about private property. I'm talking about public carry of weapons. In many states/cities you can carry a pistol unconcealed in public. But, as soon as you are on private property, you are subject to the limits imposed by the owner. The contention being that the vast majority of 'public' situations where a firearm would be helpful in resolving a situation happen on private property where neither the victim or the suspect were representatives of that owner. So even by being a good Samaritan and carrying your CCW with your permit and your .38, you are still very likely to face legal actions of the property owner.

As a cop once told me....yep, you can open carry in town....just try it though and see how many blocks you get before one of us is coming down on you.

You might be able to look up the Tn man open carrying in a state park that got arrested...he was legally carrying open, and even had a CCW, he was detained then let go, and then carried open in Nashville, legally as proscribed by the law, arrested, and then the state revoked his rights to keep arms...because he forced the issue by carrying exactly as the law dictated and this posed a threat...?!?!?

[TheDAWinz]

We should all shoot eachother, whoever wins is right.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by DjEclipse

You miss the point. Think of sheepdog as a prepared good samaritan. Example,
a sheepdog would have had a first aid kit in that theatre to help the wounded.

I don't miss the point, I just think you forgot one, I'm just wondering if you did so on purpose. The one we try to restrain are those sheepdogs/sheep that turn out to be wolves.

[Figment]

Originally Posted by DjEclipse

You still missing the point. Figment you can Google all you want,
but if you do not know what you talking about, it shows. Let me
help you, Youtube the phrase "civilian sheepdog."

Dude. Just shut up.

Civilian sheepdogs can be civilian wolves. We just had one kill 12 up till which he was treated as a sheepdog.

[Baneblade]

Originally Posted by ziegler

As a cop once told me....yep, you can open carry in town....just try it though and see how many blocks you get before one of us is coming down on you.

You might be able to look up the Tn man open carrying in a state park that got arrested...he was legally carrying open, and even had a CCW, he was detained then let go, and then carried open in Nashville, legally as proscribed by the law, arrested, and then the state revoked his rights to keep arms...because he forced the issue by carrying exactly as the law dictated and this posed a threat...?!?!?

Sounds like he should be filing a lawsuit for illegal seizure.

[ziegler]

Ask youself....when you look at that gun...do you think it should be outlawed?

[Baneblade]

No..

[DREGS]

Originally Posted by ziegler

Ask youself....when you look at that gun...do you think it should be outlawed?

The color of a rifle is not grounds for legislation.

This rifle does the exact same job, but isn't as "threatening" somehow because it has a wooden stock?

[ziegler]

Originally Posted by DREGS

The color of a rifle is not grounds for legislation.

This rifle does the exact same job, but isn't as "threatening" somehow because it has a wooden stock?

Exactly my point...but alot of gun control people will look at that and automatically think...assualt rifle...ban it....

Never mind it is a 22 caliber rifle...it looks scary!!!!
That is the kind of gun that fellow I was atlking about above was carrying.

[SecSRaven]

Originally Posted by Figment

Dude. Just shut up.

Civilian sheepdogs can be civilian wolves. We just had one kill 12 up till which he was treated as a sheepdog.

... Dude.. I think you've lost it.. what he is trying to point out is this..

Wolves = Criminals
Sheep = Innocent people
Sheepdogs = civilians who act to stop criminals

then the end analogy to this would be

Man = The Police.

-.-

[Figment]

Originally Posted by SecSRaven

... Dude.. I think you've lost it.. what he is trying to point out is this..

Wolves = Criminals
Sheep = Innocent people
Sheepdogs = civilians who act to stop criminals

then the end analogy to this would be

Man = The Police.

-.-

Yes. And?

You don't understand what I'm saying, do you? "Wolves" don't usualy have a tag on them that say "Look here, I'm a wolf", so you as a gun store owner will sell the wolf weapons thinking he's a sheep or sheepdog.

And in many states, no questions asked, cause as a wolf, it's your right to "defend yourself and others", just like everyone else.

Yay! They're still wolves, just you don't know that yet because they dress up differently.

[SecSRaven]

Originally Posted by Figment

Yes. And?

You don't understand what I'm saying, do you? "Wolves" don't usualy have a tag on them that say "Look here, I'm a wolf", so you as a gun store owner will sell the wolf weapons thinking he's a sheep or sheepdog.

And in many states, no questions asked, cause as a wolf, it's your right to "defend yourself and others", just like everyone else.

Yay! They're still wolves, just you don't know that yet because they dress up differently.

And what?

(Personally.. I think both of us love to use this next sentence)I don't think you understand either(Right here! ).. it's not about tags or what people look like.. it's that there will be people who do bad things.. there will be people who do nothing and there will be people who come in after it has started to finish it or clean up the mess.

"And in many states, no questions asked, cause as a wolf, it's your right to "defend yourself and others", just like everyone else."

Not true at all actually. Background checks are performed routinely. However, like the colorado incident has shown to people (as clear as day) you don't know who the wolves are but they can still be anyone. Would it have stopped a psycho killer from killing people if he wanted to? Nope.

[ziegler]

I have not found a report yet, but heard on the radio last night, that the notebook sent to the pysch by nutterboy was actually treating nutterboy and they want it suppressed as doctor/client privilage.

I dont know if it would be worth violating someone's privacy to require pysch's to report clients being treated for certain potentially dangerous afflictions to the background checking data base. But it is something I would have to consider. Doing so would lead to people not seeking help they need, even though I dont think pysch can do a whole lot more than turn peeps into zombies.