Be Constructive when referencing PlanetSide 1

[ChipMHazard]

Originally Posted by Mietz

Well, enjoy your echo chamber then.

Oh I do. Only way to get an intelligent conversation nowadays.

[Xaine]

Originally Posted by ChipMHazard

Besides making constructive posts about the metagame, or lack thereof, we of course need to keep riding their asses about it.
Make it impossible for them to even try and ignore us lads!

Originally Posted by Rahabib

you are right. it is selective. If they like listening to cool jazz, make your music cool and jazzy if you want to be heard. Man I am on a role with the analogies today My point is, I think a lot of people and threads will get more attention if they just change the tone a bit.

I and several other people have made constructive threads on the meta game, both here and on the official forums. My Jazz was silky smooth and beautifully written.

However, when you and many other people makes these posts and the issues aren't acknowledged, addressed, acted or even commented upon by the people you're directing them at...

Its probably going to make you less likely to think 'Oh well, even though they're ignoring the glaring issue at hand, i'm sure there is a perfectly reasonable and logical explanation why after four months and several nicely worded posts later, nothing has been said or done. '

I think you may understand why people are less likely to be nice about it almost half a year later.

[ChipMHazard]

Originally Posted by Xaine

I think you may understand why people are less likely to be nice about it almost half a year later.

Heh, aye that I do.

[Babyfark McGeez]

I agree that discussions about "planetside 1 going F2P" should be held in the appropriate forum (likewise sorry if i contributed to derailing the "hacking" thread in that manner), and that just saying "PS1 was way better" is not constructive.

BUT if this supposed to be about ideas for Planetside 2 that draw inspiration from the prequel, then i can only disagree. Remember how we drew comparisions to PS1 for numerous issues with PS2 that actually got considered and implemented (improving base defense and sundy deploy radius are just two that come up my mind right now).
Enter/Exit animations, Sanctuaries and alike are the same thing basically, an idea to increase the immersion drawing inspiration from the prequel.

Guess what i want to say is keep it open minded on here, if someone derails a thread then just say so and slap'em.

[Rahabib]

Originally Posted by Xaine

I and several other people have made constructive threads on the meta game, both here and on the official forums. My Jazz was silky smooth and beautifully written.
...
I think you may understand why people are less likely to be nice about it almost half a year later.

anyone else have Yanni playing in their heads right now? no?! uh me either...

anyway, I certainly understand the frustration. I have been down that road many times with other games. I can say they are listening a bit more than others, but I do acknowledge the fact they have been silent on the glaring metagame issues.

However, I have yet to see anything specific other than continent locks and home continents - which IMO is not really the metagame. They have said they will do both at some point (locks in the road map). Resources they have said they are changing, but they haven't said to what. That in my opinion is the major contributer to metagame that is missing. Right now your battles are meaningless because they do nothing to hinder the opponent.

But that a topic for another thread

[Babyfark McGeez]

After skimming through the pages a bit more i must wonder what the fuss is even about lol.
Sounds like simple cases of derailing and rageposts that bothered you there, which i didn't really see that often on here. I can only recall one or two guys who were absolutely not constructive with their threads, and everyone could see that.

[Death2All]

Hamma, you're under the impression that everyone who brings up PS1 in a discussion always does so in a way that's immature, irrational or unnecessary. That's not the case. I lurk these boards quite frequently and more often than not the ones who are being immature, irrational and unecessary are the ones defending Planetside 2.

The point of this point isn't whether or not PS1 is better than PS2 or vice versa, that is neither here or there. The point is, is that you have the wrong impression when people bring up points or criticisms about PS2 in contrast to PS1.

You changed the thread's title, which is good, however I only think you did it because you realized you were wrong in first place. I understand that PS2 saved your asses. It generated a lot more traffic to the website than ever before. I'm sure you don't want bickering on the forums amongst PS1 vets vs PS2 players on your board, as you feel it gives a bad impression. However, I think putting a cap on what's allowed to be discussed and what's not allowed to be discussed gives off an even worse impression. You've been increasingly more dictator-like since the release of PS2.

The temporary removal of polls, the banning of players who don't say things that you quite appreciate. I understand that you're the admin of this site and of course, you can do whatever you like. But I think for the sake of website (it being the most popular one, save for the official website) you're better off letting people discuss whatever they want, for better or worse.

Once more to reiterate, I understand the gripe that you should make a constructive point when referencing PS1, however, I don't think this was ever an issue. I think you should instead do a better job at moderating the people who instantly dismiss anyone who references PS1. That's the bigger issue. Time and time again I've seen well written, constructive posts regarding PS1 only to be shot down non-PS1 vets. "LOL TAKE OFF UR ROSE TINTED GLASSES YOU FUCKING BITTER VET, GO PLAY YOUR DEAD GAME".

Seriously

[CrazEpharmacist]

Originally Posted by Death2All

Once more to reiterate, I understand the gripe that you should make a constructive point when referencing PS1, however, I don't think this was ever an issue. I think you should instead do a better job at moderating the people who instantly dismiss anyone who references PS1. That's the bigger issue. Time and time again I've seen well written, constructive posts regarding PS1 only to be shot down non-PS1 vets. "LOL TAKE OFF UR ROSE TINTED GLASSES YOU FUCKING BITTER VET, GO PLAY YOUR DEAD GAME".

Seriously

This is accurate. Great post good sir. Saw you on PS1 the other night if I'm not mistaken.

[Hamma]

I did not change the threads title because I felt I was wrong. I changed it because everyone is bitching and of course not reading my thread anyway they would rather just assume I don't want people to talk about PlanetSide 1 at all and live in a world where they pretend the developers don't know what PlanetSide 1 was and designed the new game in a vacuum.

Your entire post proves you have no clue what my intentions are and only read what you wanted to read.

[Hamma]

Originally Posted by Death2All

I understand that PS2 saved your asses. It generated a lot more traffic to the website than ever before

Saved my ass from what exactly? Lots of free time?

Originally Posted by Death2All

The temporary removal of polls, the banning of players who don't say things that you quite appreciate. I understand that you're the admin of this site and of course, you can do whatever you like. But I think for the sake of website (it being the most popular one, save for the official website) you're better off letting people discuss whatever they want, for better or worse.

I don't ban people for saying things I don't agree with, I ban them for being idiots.

Originally Posted by Death2All

I think you should instead do a better job at moderating the people who instantly dismiss anyone who references PS1. That's the bigger issue.

We will have new moderator nominations soon.

[CrazEpharmacist]

Originally Posted by Hamma

Saved my ass from what exactly? Lots of free time?



I don't ban people for saying things I don't agree with, I ban them for being idiots.



We will have new moderator nominations soon.

Good stuff but he definitely is right about the bitter PS1 vet comments. I have seen this type response here, official forums, and on reddit many times.

[xWarMachine]

typically I just lurk on this site, and post regularly on the official forums..

I must say this thread is the best troll thread I have seen in some time... 10/10

First time poster and last time poster. I guess ill continue to waste my breath discussing what is best for the game on the official forum since we are so policed here.

As a side note creating discussions like this furnishes no new ideas for PS2 nor is it constructive in any manner toward the improvement of PS2.

cheers

[Hamma]

Typical response from an Enclave member. Enjoy the more heavily policed official forums.

[Crator]

Originally Posted by Hamma

I did not change the threads title because I felt I was wrong. I changed it because everyone is bitching and of course not reading my thread anyway they would rather just assume I don't want people to talk about PlanetSide 1 at all and live in a world where they pretend the developers don't know what PlanetSide 1 was and designed the new game in a vacuum.

Your entire post proves you have no clue what my intentions are and only read what you wanted to read.

Honestly, just admit you were pissed off when you wrote the OP and didn't construct your words properly. Or you really do want people to not mention PS1 at all. In which case doesn't make much sense because there are plenty of good mechanics from PS1 that could be done in PS2.

Original thread title: Time to let go of PlanetSide 1

References in OP that says to stop talking about PS1:

Every time this community brings up PlanetSide 1 in an argument or statement about PlanetSide 2 you make this community less and less relevant. PlanetSide 1 was ten years ago, we now have PlanetSide 2 and this forum in particular focuses on PlanetSide 2.

In this sentence every single time someone mentions PS1 this site is less relevant. How does it make it less relevant? There are plenty of great references to PS1 mechanics when talking about PS2. Typically posts referencing PS1 are mentioning mechanics that worked due to population density which is relevant in both PS1 and PS2.

PlanetSide 2 is not PlanetSide 1. We all wanted PlanetSide 2 and now that it's out we cannot stop talking about PlanetSide 1. It was a great game, in 2003. It's now 2013 and we have PlanetSide 2. Let's focus on that game and stop dwelling on the past because it's gone and as Smed said almost nobody is logged into it and it will remain that way even if it's added to the membership.

Here you say let's focus on PS2 instead of talking about PS1. Most of the time people are talking about PS2 but use references to PS1 to depict scenarios that you see in both PS1 and PS2.

[Hamma]

I'm saying the site becomes less relevant because we all know, and the devs all know the systems if PlanetSide 1 already why rail on them constantly.

Originally Posted by Crator

Honestly, just admit you were pissed off when you wrote the OP and didn't construct your words properly. Or you really do want people to not mention PS1 at all. In which case doesn't make much sense because there are plenty of good mechanics from PS1 that could be done in PS2.

I will admit I suck at communicating what I mean often times, Just ask Jennyboo.