What class should carry ammo packs?

[Knightwyvern]

Originally Posted by MyMeatStick

I'm talking from a gameplay point of view and not the lore.

I don't see a reason to play light assault if it doesn't have the ability to drop ammo.

Because it has a Jump pack? Smoke/flash grenades? Their role is to jump over walls, shoot things and cause mayhem. If anything they are the anti-engineer, sort of along with infiltrators.

[Dagron]

Originally Posted by MyMeatStick

I don't see a reason to play light assault if it doesn't have the ability to drop ammo.

That has already been discussed all over this thread.

Originally Posted by Knightwyvern

Because it has a Jump pack? Smoke/flash grenades? Their role is to jump over walls, shoot things and cause mayhem. If anything they are the anti-engineer, sort of along with infiltrators.

And this is NOT the reason i was convienced to let go of ammo drops for them... -_-

[Electrofreak]

Originally Posted by MyMeatStick

I'm talking from a gameplay point of view and not the lore.

I don't see a reason to play light assault if it doesn't have the ability to drop ammo.

Because when we watched the E3 stream, all those LAs were doing was dropping ammo, right?

[MyMeatStick]

Originally Posted by Electrofreak

Because when we watched the E3 stream, all those LAs were doing was dropping ammo, right?

That was E3, a large portion of those people we saw playing were completely new and didn't know what they were doing and didn't have any teamwork within outfits and squads.

If you were light assault in a squad or outfit and people were screaming for ammo, wouldn't you go deliver that ammo?

[Dagron]

To me, as long as LAs get class specific abilities to chose from that gave them the option between what they do now and a support role, i'd be fine with the ammo drop being removed.

Also, no i do NOT think "zomg jetpacks are kewl and that's all they should get"...
Everyone else keeps making that argument and to me it holds as much water as a paper bag. >.<

The reason i no longer think they're the best choice is because of these arguments:

- Engineers have a more support-like mentality, they are more likely to drop ammo to people who need it and less likely to hog it.

- While engis are not as mobile, they're already both near the front and the defense lines anyway, repairing their nest and/or MAXes, so they're a good choice to hold the ammo. They're also usually free to move around a little when they're done building their gizmos.

- I'm aware that engis already have a lot on their plate, but since they already have a dispenser type of construction, why not make as a sidegrade to that dispenser a movable kind of ammo distribution unit? Ammo drops are right up the engineers support role ally anyway, so it makes perfect sense.

[Electrofreak]

Originally Posted by MyMeatStick

That was E3, a large portion of those people we saw playing were completely new and didn't know what they were doing and didn't have any teamwork within outfits and squads.

If you were light assault in a squad or outfit and people were screaming for ammo, wouldn't you go deliver that ammo?

No, because I'd be busy doing what my class is designed to do, which is circumventing base defenses and the area denial laid by engineers to soften up the enemy in advance of our troops.

I agree they should have a secondary function, but dropping ammo boxes is a poor solution because it doesn't really have any synergy with the primary role.

[Knightwyvern]

Originally Posted by Dagron

To me, as long as LAs get class specific abilities to chose from that gave them the option between what they do now and a support role, i'd be fine with the ammo drop being removed.

Also, no i do NOT think "zomg jetpacks are kewl and that's all they should get"...
Everyone else keeps making that argument and to me it holds as much water as a paper bag. >.<

The reason i no longer think they're the best choice is because of these arguments:

- Engineers have a more support-like mentality, they are more likely to drop ammo to people who need it and less likely to hog it.

- While engis are not as mobile, they're already both near the front and the defense lines anyway, repairing their nest and/or MAXes, so they're a good choice to hold the ammo. They're also usually free to move around a little when they're done building their gizmos.

- I'm aware that engis already have a lot on their plate, but since they already have a dispenser type of construction, why not make as a sidegrade to that dispenser a movable kind of ammo distribution unit? Ammo drops are right up the engineers support role ally anyway, so it makes perfect sense.

I agree that LA should get some other ability that will allow them to change up their play style. Honestly I'm still trying to think of what a good alternative might be :P

[Dagron]

Originally Posted by Knightwyvern

I agree that LA should get some other ability that will allow them to change up their play style. Honestly I'm still trying to think of what a good alternative might be :P

I'm also having a hard time thinking of something, but this made me realize that some other option besides the ammo drop might solve the LAs lack of role verstility problem.

That allowed me to let go of my bias and see that engis are a more adequate option to ammo resupply troops they're already hovering around anyway.

[Knightwyvern]

Originally Posted by Dagron

I'm also having a hard time thinking of something, but this made me realize that some other option besides the ammo drop might solve the LAs lack of role verstility problem.

That allowed me to let go of my bias and see that engis are a more adequate option to ammo resupply troops they're already hovering around anyway.

I'm glad to hear it. However, every time I think up something that the LA could do as a alternate, I.E. removing their jet pack for another pack type or something.. I always come up with things that are already covered by the other classes such as minefield sweeping (Infil) etc. It's a toughy.

[Stew]

ENG already have repair tool turret deployement etc..

having AMO they will simply be overpower been able to repair a MAX been able to revive a MAX been able to have infinite amo and been able to deploy turrets sound really overpower to me

I do not why why people keep voting for ENG !

[Fenrys]

All of the above, in place of something else like grenades, for a resource cost.

[Electrofreak]

Originally Posted by Stew

ENG already have repair tool turret deployement etc..

having AMO they will simply be overpower been able to repair a MAX been able to revive a MAX been able to have infinite amo and been able to deploy turrets sound really overpower to me

I do not why why people keep voting for ENG !

An Engie cannot revive a MAX. Don't post if you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Engineers can deploy turrets, repair vehicles and armor, provide resupply. In return, they sacrifice armor without having the mobility of light assault or the stealth of an infiltrator.

[Dagron]

Originally Posted by Knightwyvern

I'm glad to hear it. However, every time I think up something that the LA could do as a alternate, I.E. removing their jet pack for another pack type or something.. I always come up with things that are already covered by the other classes such as minefield sweeping (Infil) etc. It's a toughy.

The first thing everyone thinks of removing is the jump pack... that's the classe's signature: mobility.
If you take that away, what could possibly replace it? O.o
But i think this is kind of OT, so maybe we should stick to the ammo drop issue here.

Originally Posted by Fenrys

All of the above, in place of something else like grenades, for a resource cost.

This has also been suggested a few pages ago and is something i'd seriously consider.

[Knightwyvern]

Originally Posted by Electrofreak

An Engie cannot revive a MAX. Don't post if you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Engineers can deploy turrets, repair vehicles and armor, provide resupply. In return, they sacrifice armor without having the mobility of light assault or the stealth of an infiltrator.

Or the raw mobile firepower of a Heavy Assault or MAX.

Engineers are supposed to be the support role, along with Medics. Medics with ammo packs makes no sense; therefor, Engineers are the logical choice.

[Dagron]

Originally Posted by Stew

I do not why why people keep voting for ENG !

You may have arguments against the engis, but if you don't see the arguments people are making for them then you've not been reading anything in this thread so far.

Anyway, imo if engis are building + repairing their gizmos + repairing MAXes + resupplying at the same time and they're kicking ass, then they should be winning... they can't possibly do everything at the same time. If they do it all, they're half-assing most of it for sure.