Planetside 2 Needs Prone

[KTNApollo]

Prone should be Infiltrator only as a Cert that takes the place of Stealth, and it should only be usable with sniper rifles (to prevent campers with SMGs).

[Envenom]

Originally Posted by Stardouser

Definitely not true, in my opinion. If anything, crouch will be sufficient for defenders of a base since they will be a lot more likely to have crouch height cover , and attackers coming from outside the base will not.

And even if and when it is true, that's called digging in as a defense.


Who is anyone to say that something is or isn't the way to play in any game? I was apparently under the mistaken impression that Planetside's distinguishing factor was the large scale and persistence, instead of people being forced into run and gun battles.

Sad thing is, prone is one of the smallest effects on gameplay pace that there probably can be and you guys don't realize it. But at least you are admitting that you want to force your subjective opinion on others.

My thread just jacked a poll. THE POWERRRR

[Vancha]

This was answered pages ago.

Originally Posted by Vancha

Is the extent to which prone reduces someone's hit profile, mobility and visibility actually beneficial to Planetside 2's specific gameplay?

That basically seems to be as far as this conversation can go. The people who want prone can't demonstrate that it'd be good for Planetside 2 and the people who don't want prone can't demonstrate that it'd be bad for Planetside 2. Until we get to beta, that's where we're at.

[Envenom]

Originally Posted by Vancha

This was answered pages ago.



That basically seems to be as far as this conversation can go. The people who want prone can't demonstrate that it'd be good for Planetside 2 and the people who don't want prone can't demonstrate that it'd be bad for Planetside 2. Until we get to beta, that's where we're at.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLkgX...ature=youtu.be

[IMMentat]

The only time I have seen prone be effective in a game is for hiding under a bush in BF3, camping in a corner with your legs partially through a wall in BF3 and in Operation Flashpoint where if you were not crawling everywhere you were dead to people the other side of a valley, on top of a hill, or looking out from under some neutral shrubbery. In every case it either turns fights into a game of hide and seek or gets you killed, especially in a game with massed airchav looking immobile squishy targets.

[SoNaR]

Originally Posted by RedKnights

"NOOOOOOOOO" Compilation - YouTube

edit: luke didn't want prone, so he lost his hand.....

[Death2All]

I've yet to see a reason proposed on why prone should be in PS2 apart from "cuz bf haz it xD".

Seriously, I've seen plenty of constructive arguments against it but none for. If that's not indicative to the mindset of a BF player then I don't know what is.

[Sturmhardt]

Originally Posted by Raymac

No. It doesn't. PS1 didn't need prone.

That is the right answer.

[SKYeXile]

HOW WILL I HIDE MY BODY WITHOUT PRONE WHEN CAMPING!!?!

[Toppopia]

Originally Posted by Death2All

I've yet to see a reason proposed on why prone should be in PS2 apart from "cuz bf haz it xD".

Seriously, I've seen plenty of constructive arguments against it but none for. If that's not indicative to the mindset of a BF player then I don't know what is.

The only reasons i can think of to have prone:

1) Helps defend by having multiple lines of defenders. 1 line of people lie down. 1 line crouches. and 1 line stands. So not much of an advantage,

2) Allows a tiny amount of stealth if there is lots of foliage. But not many people will prone 100-200 metres just to sneak into a base.


In this game, prone just isn't very useful. Mostly fro snipers or defenders to use. But if you want stealth, just cloak or get someone to scout the defences to find a gap in them.

[Death2All]

I know these are ideas you're just spit balling, but I'm going to address them anyways, just so people don't fixate on them.

Originally Posted by Toppopia

1) Helps defend by having multiple lines of defenders. 1 line of people lie down. 1 line crouches. and 1 line stands. So not much of an advantage,

That's sort of a silly reason. I can't see people ever doing this. If the area is that crowded they'd just move on a to different spot.

Most of the people who like prone are the ones who go and camp around for an entire match in some secluded spot so that they'll never be in danger ever.

Originally Posted by Toppopia

2) Allows a tiny amount of stealth if there is lots of foliage. But not many people will prone 100-200 metres just to sneak into a base.

I guess this one could possibly be construed as one benefit, but it's really not good enough to warrant it's inclusion into the game. As you said, people aren't going to prone across a giant field to sneak up on someone. It could create some silly moments sure, but it's still not a good enough reason to outweigh all the problems it would cause.

Originally Posted by Toppopia

In this game, prone just isn't very useful. Mostly fro snipers or defenders to use. But if you want stealth, just cloak or get someone to scout the defences to find a gap in them.

Well said, there's just no place for it in a game like PS. The mechanic just simply wouldn't translate well into the game. Some people just cannot grasp that however.

[Timey]

I wouldn't mind prone at all. You are basically immobile when in prone > a fish in a barrel. Wouldn't mind if it wasn't in, either.

[Stardouser]

Originally Posted by Death2All

I've yet to see a reason proposed on why prone should be in PS2 apart from "cuz bf haz it xD".

Seriously, I've seen plenty of constructive arguments against it but none for. If that's not indicative to the mindset of a BF player then I don't know what is.

I'm not saying all the arguments haven't been constructive but they certainly have almost all been subjective.

And the biggest subjective argument is that people say they don't want people camping, but it's very curious...other things that promote camping, such as low TTK and high respawn timers, I don't see a lot of people proactively fighting against those things. I just hope to see, when beta comes, that the anti-camping people are willing to ask SOE to raise the TTK a bit and accept compromise on spawn timers to help reduce those particular motivations for camping.

[Gandhi]

I'm really not worried about camping in a game like this. This isn't a 16vs16 deathmatch, plenty of people will be camping and that's totally fine, because we're fighting over objectives here and not a K/D ratio. If camping helps you defend your objective then that's what you should be doing. And if you can manage to effectively camp an objective without getting killed by any of the hundreds of other players milling about then more power to you.

What I don't want to see though are things that promote camping for the attacking side. The Phoenix in PS1 was a prime example of this, instead of actually attacking a base the NC would spend literally hours hiding behind hills and rocks and trees spamming Phoenix missiles. That's not effective and it's not fun for either side, it makes the game more boring and tedious.

Likewise I think prone would make the game more boring and tedious, though that's only my subjective opinion. I can't think of any solid reasons not to have prone, and I can't think of any solid reasons for it either. For me it comes down to a question of whether it fits in with the style of the game, and to me the answer to that is definitely no.

[Crator]

I haven't read through all the posts in this thread. I voted Other but let me explain.

Yes to prone with some restrictions as such mentioned earlier. But another restriction is you must crouch first before you can prone. So it's more of a skill mechanic.

I would also like to see a cover mechanic like GoW had too!