Balance issues BESIDES jackhammer

[AtomicBanana]

'VS Lasher (+): Double the speed of the orbs... Hell, triple the speed - and up the damage each orb makes (and forget all about the lashing concept - it's stupid). This weapon is currently outdamaged by other factions MA weapons in its intended range!
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Not on your life!

[Knuckles]

Not on your life!

Is it that You don't believe me when I say that the Lasher is outdamaged by other factions MA weapons, or that You think that the Lasher is perfect as it is and that it deserves no boost? (Or what?)

[AtomicBanana]

I think the lasher is perfectly fine. At close range I have to be very careful not to be killed by it.. hell if it's flat land with no cover me and my cycler using ass are prolly screwed

The 'lashing' works as intended too and it's pointless IMO. The gits tend to shoot at me when I hide behind a tree to r/l and it lashes me bad =/

In very short range.. i see it regually 3 or 4 people back and kill most of them.. it's already pretty god damn deadly.

If the orbs were quicker I wouldn't have a hope in hell of suriving the lasher most of the time I enconter it.. it would be too good at too long a range. I *honestly* think it's balanced, because I've had some great fights around tree's against lasher users that were tense. Sometimes I win, sometimes they win. But god damn dnt speed up the orbs!

[Endless]

Sticking to the topic, I can't really say anything about tanks, except i wish i knew the point of the prolwers double cannon, it doesn't appear to shoot any faster than a vanguard.

The AV weapons seem balanced enough. They all have their strong points and people seem to have figured em out use em for it, although the striker is still my favorite, u dont even have to shoot, just point and the missle lock scares any air away.

[Knuckles]

AtomicBanana: Ok - I honestly do believe that You believe the Lasher to be quite a good weapon. But believe me when I say - it ain't!

I've used it - hell I wrestled with the damn thing - over the course of a few days (3 to 4) and my kill rate simply plummeted. I got owned like I've never gotten owned before. I saw hilarious stuff that happend due to the slow orb speed alone (not even mentioning the sub par damage output) and I woulda laughed my lip off, if I hadn't been so frustrated.

I felt relief when I finally forgot that cert.

I'm not guna lay all that on You, but I will try and look up the tests, that a guy did, on the official boards. He did thorough tests on all the infantry weaponry, that is currently in the game. Perhaps when You see it presented in hard numbers, You'll believe me.

(I have the link back home [I'm at work now]. I'll try and find it as soon as I possibly can. If someone has the link to the tests, mentioned above (was presented in an Excel sheet), I'd be very grateful if You posted it for AtomicBanana to see.)

[reaver101]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Knuckles

TR Pounder (-): Design flaw to stick an AI MAX with an area weapon of this magnitude in the game. Many a time I die before I even get to see it.

The Pounder is an AV max.

[Knuckles]

The Pounder is an AV max.

Well at least it used to be.

The devs decided to let the TR Pounder and TR Dual Cycler switch roles (anyone: was this in late beta?). The reason was that it was so hard to hit vehicles by lobbing grenades. So now the Pounder is AI, while the Cycler is AV.

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by Knuckles

The devs decided to let the TR Pounder and TR Dual Cycler switch roles (anyone: was this in late beta?). The reason was that it was so hard to hit vehicles by lobbing grenades. So now the Pounder is AI, while the Cycler is AV.

That was in late beta, yes.

The amusing part is that the pounder is still AV (and AI!) and the dual-cycler is still AI (and AV!) so it's not like anything really changed except they're both still ridiculous.

[Knuckles]

For AtomicBanana (and anyone that's interested) here are the test data I mentioned earlier:

The thread on the official forums: http://boards.station.sony.com/ubb/p...ML/002688.html

The link to the excel sheet/data itself: http://www.vidarsvengeance.com/home/...de_Damages.xls

As the author says:

All data is against reinforced.

Do take a look...

[Katanaboy]

I am mostly disturbed by the Vanu MAXes. First, our jumpjets. It is really messed up, because sometimes you can jump two feet and lose half of your entire capacitor, or jump 10 and lose nothing. Also, the thing recharges so slowly that it is of no use in combat. Our MAXes can not do anything other than what they were meant to do, and even so dont do it very well. (Comet max does almost nothing to infantry, while a falcon will tear through, and so will a dual cycler, and even so, a comet barely hurts vehicles) Also, the AV and AA clips are so small, 10 and 8 respectively, and it takes multiple reloads to take down a vehicle or aircraft. The starfire (AA) shots move VERY slowly (it might be lag, but sometimes it appears that they slow down in mid-air) to the point where reavers dont even have to use afterburners to get away, and the max must keep its crosshairs on it at all times.

:hew:: glad thats over

[Sam_F7]

Re: Magrider.
I've spent the good part of my last 4 game sessions in this bad-boy.

To clarify - it only has one EFFECTIVE gun (the gunner's). The little machine gun the driver has is nigh worthless. Since the MOUSE controls steering, it is just about impossible to keep the crosshairs on target since the magrider is always sliding around.

I get about 3-4 HITS per clip of ammo. No kills.

At least this gun gives me, the driver, something to do while my gunner is flailing away at the baddies and I'm slip-sliding sideways to avoid trouble (until I slam into a rock or tree, of course).

SamF7

[Happy lil Elf]

Sticking to the topic, I can't really say anything about tanks, except i wish i knew the point of the prolwers double cannon, it doesn't appear to shoot any faster than a vanguard.

Then either A) You've never gunned a Vanguard B) You've never gunned a Prowler or C) You've never gunned either and are guesstimating from seeing them shoot. The Vanguard has a very slow ROF, much more slow than the Prowler.

So much misinformation in this thread >_<

[WritheNC]

My main character is an BR 16 NC on Emerald. A couple days ago I made a VS on Markov because I wanted to play with the lancer and get some practice.

The imbalance isn't even funny. With even numbers the VS were getting rolled over almost effortlessly (other factors such as command organization etc. I really have no clue of).

Gauss vs. Pulsar: No contest. Gauss still wins. I think the Pulsar should be more accurate than it is right now. Gauss is my primary weapon on emerald, so when I use the pulsar and can't kill anything using the same tactics, its kinda sad.

Phoenix: The phoenix does not need a dumbfire mode. Holy crap...I was shooting with my pulsar from a tower top under siege, and I got hit by 6 phoenix missiles while being infantry in reinforced. I've used the phoenix a lot, since BR 8 or so. The only drawback is that you are vulnerable and can't move while firing. The RoF isn't too bad. I'm not afraid of any MAX if I have surge and Phoenix. It only takes 3 and not even a Dual Pounder indoors frightens me anymore. After taking it in the rear as a VS infantry, I've realized the Phoenix is fine the way it is.

Lasher: My stepmom came into the room and brought me cookies, looked at the screen, and said, "Whatever that thing is that's shooting those purple orbs, they need to move faster!" Ok, that didn't really happen but everyone and their mom agrees they need to move faster.

I think Emerald's population is proof that TR and VS(well especially VS) could use a few upgrades. A lot of People(not all so if you're an exception don't get offended =P), go for the easy stuff, and after playing VS for a little bit, I'm pretty sold on the fact that NC has the "easy life" right now.

[AtomicBanana]

I'll pour over the the able in more detail later... but seems to be the the DPS of the lasher is pretty good.. as in consistantly pretty high.

While those tables are good.. I dnt think they are magical answers to balance... I'm going to have a think about it when I play tonight though

[Lonehunter]

CrazyCrazy, I really hate you. All this thread has done is made people complain and argue. While all these people know their whining won't do any good. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, to all of you.

Quitcherbitchin