Consolidate AV?

[ChewyLSB]

I made a topic about moving decimator to AV a couple of months ago... (along with some other changes that I thought made sense). I was assaulted with "That doesn't make any sense!" posts. Now look at it...

[Rbstr]

Moving deci to AV doesn't seem logical, its about as logical as it gets, othe thatn the fact that AV is broken and the deci is not

[SandTrout]

An idea for the lancer after it gets the accuracy buff.
Slightly decrease the Magazine(probably 4) size and increase the damage per-shot to keep it as a 1-magazine kill on MAXes. May have to add a delay between shots to balance TTK(the delay before the shot should not be increased IMO).

Oh, yeah, and move the Decie to AV already. not to mention make the repeater common-pool and AMP TR specific.

[Doop]

Nah, not if all of the weapons are getting a buff. I use my striker all the time, no one else does because it's a lot weaker now, but it's still good against vehcs and kickass against MAXes. :] 1.2 clip to take out a MAX. (I tested it)

AV MAXes on the other hand, yeah, they all suck except maybe DCycler.

[JakeLogan]

The DC is great for fighting other MAXes. I use my striker all the time it has a great fear effect, If there are alot of reavers around just lock that thing on and they run. good against maxes outside inside its still useful you just gotta work in pairs. Thats what I would like to see with the Deci people actually working together to take down a MAX. Instead of people being a 1 man Wrecking crew.

[Aurorapro]

I Personally think that the Deci should stay in SA because thats what it is a SA weapon, really how would maxes like it to be taken upon by one decimator hit with that get out of the way only to be hit up the ass by a pheonix by the same person?
Lets wait for this AV buff and then we can start making some bitching statements because if AV is still weak after that then yeah it does seem logical to change the decimator to AV but not yet im having to much fun yet :P

[Liquidtide]

I agree with most of you and say Decimator stays Special Assault, it's handy for many things like taking out Spitfires and Phalanx Turrets as well as Maxes. I think the damage to Maxes should get a tweak for a 3 shot kill.

I also think that each empire should have 2 types of AV weapons, a very powerful dumb fire or less accurate and everyone gets a lock on AV weapon. Infantry have very little defense against Planes as it is, and our AV weapons to little against them because they are hard to hit, this goes for vehicles too. I don't know how anyone uses the Lancer effectively. I know AV should be used in groups, but it would be nice to be able to scare off a mosquito once in a while without being pwned.

~Tide

[_-Gunslinger-_]

How is it fair that an infantry can grab a deci and kill any one of the maxes in 2 hits, which isn't that hard cept vs the VS, for 3 cert points and get 2 other weapons to boot when maxes cost 5 to get all three and have a timer?

Simple solution is to nerf the deci and/or put it in AV. Now for the complex solution.

Make 2 (or 3) types of armor classes. Vehicle and infantry. Infantry is all armors but MAX and everything else is vehicle (Prowler, vanguard, magrider, MAX's ect.). Make all AV weapons do normal to vehicle armor and group the deci with AV but make it do the same damage to infantry (eg. strips a player of all thier armor).

With this system you gain a versitile cert at taking out armor. Which is what that weapon class is supposed to do. You also are gaining TWO weapons for three certs in both SA and AV. Seems fair to me.

The only thing that I see inbalancing about this is that the Rexo buff may be completly undone by a change like that. If players can take out rexos armor with a deci then they are weaker than a standard. The question then becomes: Is the ablility to carry 2 weapons and more armor equivilant to the previously stated AV system?
I think so.

Opinions?

[Gigabein]

Originally Posted by SandTrout

not to mention make the repeater common-pool and AMP TR specific.

OT, sorry, but wow. You have some kind of vendetta against VS infils?

[SpunkJackel]

Well, I hope the Deci does not get moved to AV. I am a avid user of the radiator as few people ever see it in battle and react very poorly to it resulting in easy kills for me. If deci got moved I'd have to spend more certs on AV that I don't have.

And the damage to MAX suits is fine. There are more MAXes now then ever. If lets say a MAX could take three deci's instead of 2. Damm, that means if I only have one full deci on me I can't miss one shot. Not to mention I still have to deal with the NC MAX shield. A MAX can still get hella kills and must be efective in some way or else why would so many poeple be using them? IF you start taking away their weaknesses we'll all be standing around the CC in MAX suits spamming "We Need a Hacker!"

err..wait..thats after we found a way past all the door locks

[_-Gunslinger-_]

Originally Posted by SpunkJackel

Well, I hope the Deci does not get moved to AV. I am a avid user of the radiator as few people ever see it in battle and react very poorly to it resulting in easy kills for me. If deci got moved I'd have to spend more certs on AV that I don't have.

And the damage to MAX suits is fine. There are more MAXes now then ever. If lets say a MAX could take three deci's instead of 2. Damm, that means if I only have one full deci on me I can't miss one shot. Not to mention I still have to deal with the NC MAX shield. A MAX can still get hella kills and must be efective in some way or else why would so many poeple be using them? IF you start taking away their weaknesses we'll all be standing around the CC in MAX suits spamming "We Need a Hacker!"

Medium Assault - Med range
Special Assault - AV + 2 Good zerg supressers
Engineering - Repair
Hacking - Hack stuff
Advanced Hacking - Hack more stuff
Reinforced ExoSuit - Allows simultanious us of SA and HA + that deci
Heavy Assault - In base fighting
Assault Buggy - Decent vehicle

Hmm thats a versitile setup. You can kill infantry very effectivly. The thresher is good transport and can kill infantry. SA kills infantry (Minus the Deci). Umm looks to me like your build allows you to kill infantry very effectivly. Why the hell should you get an AV weapon without having to spend the certs for it? And if you were to have to drop SA for AV you would still retain a large amount of killing power.

Maxes require time to get back. And if you happen to run into TWO deci users your a dead wo/man. Now you need to wait. Unlike those three infantry you killed, who can just respawn and go back out.

[Veteran]

I chuckle to think of the time when you could launch all of the Decimator's rounds in about one second because of a bug. People called it a nerf when they fixed the bug. People just don't tend to grasp game balance if it affects an easy source of kills.

[SpunkJackel]

Gunslinger, you are right my setup allows me to kill infantry with really no problem. The Deci allows me to kill everything else with really no problem. If I lose the Deci I lose allot of my versitality. I like the way things are now so I don't want a change.

With all honesty maybe I do have it too easy. If the the Deci was moved to AV I'd give up SA and follow it there no problem. But as long as there are so many MAX, sometimes more than there are anything else, I won't agree to the decrese in Deci damage to MAXes.

[Onizuka-GTO]

Originally Posted by FlakMan

Then what the hell are non-AV certed soldiers supposed to do? Throw rocks at them?

Well sure, if that's what you want to do.

But the fact is that if they did more the decimator to AV, and your not AV-Cert and you want to kill Maxes & Armour, then why didn't you get AV?

Simple fact, that I don't think Anti-Armour weaponary should be an assault weapon, It isn't! If you got a Max or Armour lumbering towards you, you better hope you got a AV-Cert Trooper in your mist.

[_-Gunslinger-_]

Originally Posted by SpunkJackel

With all honesty maybe I do have it too easy. If the the Deci was moved to AV I'd give up SA and follow it there no problem. But as long as there are so many MAX, sometimes more than there are anything else, I won't agree to the decrese in Deci damage to MAXes.

Glad you see my point.