New Patch Experiences

[Zatrais]

My experience whit the patch on a live server...

Vehicles, useless against the NC. Impossible to advance under the rain of phoenix missiles. AMS have to be placed outside range, else they're dead. Same for MAX suits. Vehicles against the NC, waste of time. Its just so mindnumbingly frustrating to try to fight an enemy you can't see or hit.

VS, same old, few more lances, more lashers. Not a huge difference, cept the loss of survivabilty of vehicles cause of the lancers.

[Scorched_earth]

Yes i know they r, just pisses me off! the vanu hav 1 gd weapons and thats the lasher!
the lancer is too weak even with this new ammo patch! ur torch pistol sucks and r med assult! maxes and mags r too weak! So annoys me that other empires hav the best selection of weapons!

[Fragmatic]

Originally Posted by Scorched_earth

Personally i think the vanu r underpowered! I mean the worst pistol! The worst med assult gun! the worst av gun! All we have is a lasher! Since lasher 2.0 that hasnt been too great! The tr r over powered, the amazin cycler and mcg! plus hav that great av weapon (aa) With the best but worst lookin tank! The vanu tank shud ride over mines, then it wud own!

Originally Posted by Scorched_earth

Yes i know they r, just pisses me off! the vanu hav 1 gd weapons and thats the lasher!
the lancer is too weak even with this new ammo patch! ur torch pistol sucks and r med assult! maxes and mags r too weak! So annoys me that other empires hav the best selection of weapons!

Ok, I don't think people understand this.
EACH FACTION HAS STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES
(I even colour coded it for you)

TR - Fast firing weaponary, less power per shot, and the worst accuracy. Large magazines . MAXs can anchor to improve fire rate.

NC - Heavy hitting weaponary, most power per shot, average accuracy, smallest magazines. MAXs can shield themselves.

VS - The versatile empire, have Normal/AP mode on pulsar/beamer/MAX with no reload, medium size magazines and good accuracy. Damage degredation. MAXs can jump jet out of harms way/into an ambush.

I left the MAX abilities white for the TR/NC, because they have advantages/disadvantages, IE - TR anchor is only good for defensive positions (stuck there), and the NC shield dissapears when you fire. The VS jumpjets can be used for attacking and defensive purposes.

Technically, the VS are the most balanced empire. They are the men in the middle, the equal slice of the cake, I wouldn't complain. The lasher is an exellent weapon, and so is the pulsar. People complain that the lasher is crap outdoors... ever tried using a JH/MCG outdoors? Exactly. (JH = No range, MCG = No accuracy, The Lasher is great outdoors, you just have to learn how to lead)

And the Pulsar/Beamer missing out to damage degredation, yes, it is a problem, but it's your only flaw, live with it. Shoot the enemy with AP shots first to tear up his/her armour, then use the normal fire mode. Works a treat.

The same goes for their vehicles

TR Prowler/Marauder - Fastest firing rate, good damage/armour/speed

NC Vanguard/Enforcer - Slowest firing rate, highest damage/armour/speed

VS Magrider/Thresher - Average firepower, lowest armour, fastest speed/mobility

(Not too sure on NC vehicle stats there)

But you must be saying "OH NOES! TEH VANU VEHICLES ARE WORSTS!!!!!!"
No.
They are balanced, they can outmaneuver the enemy, go over water, which makes them hard to hit with tank shells, and the weapons are LOS, no arc.

Originally Posted by Scorched_earth

lashers r amazin! just spam doors with 10 other men! They suck in bases cus u hit alot of ur ownguys!

So spamming is a valid tactic, but hiding behind rocks/trees to guide a missile without getting killed isn't?
Again this comes down to using your weapons their best ways, lashers will waste everything with corridor spam, and hiding is the best way to use a phoenix, because you are defenseless when you are piloting a missile.
Learn to let go of the trigger so you don't hit friendlies.


Yeah, and also, the stats graph you posted in the first quote (removed to save space)... Hello PorkFryer! (Don't say it's not you, you have the char EVILoHOMER and also set that up as a PSU account) I personally feel that you are a waste of space on the forum database, with such worthless and pointless opinions and amount of dupe accounts you have.

[Liquidtide]

Originally Posted by Dyentious

The thing that kinda pisses me off about cyssor is, ok.. NC have their camera guided missiles that everybody has now, and the vanu can just come right over the water at you with their vehicles, but what the hell is the tr supposed to do in that situation?

Sucks to be TR on cyssor when the bridge battles are goin on

You can lock down that Max of your's and keep the grenades or flak or what ever that TR stuff is flying at the bridge, you can't get anywhere when you have even 3 or 4 Maxes doing that.

~Tide

[prbountyhunter]

A locked down TR max = fodder for my phoenix.

I'm pretty happy with the patch because I've had AV for a long time and I get a new toy to play with. I'm also happy about the JH nerf. I hope it will make a lot of people drop HA in favor of support certs

[MidnightDave]

well I had a first for me last night. Im TR on Markov and I have (had now) a simple plan. Ill fight NC over VS anyday. I perfered fighting JH's rather than the Lasher which seemed to bypass my armor completely and go straight for my health. Well, although the lasher has gotten worse (not bitchin, just sayin) I now perfer to fight the VS than the NC, our outfit left a battle with an NC force to go pick a fight with the VS. Why you may ask?

CAUSE THERE WERE ABOUT 600 MOTHERFCKING PHEONIXES BEING USED TO SNIPE INFANTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Isnt the pheonix suppose to be an AV weapon as in anti-VEHICULAR!? Why then are the NC able to effectivly use it to snipe us infantry without ever opening themselves up for attack. Even the Lancer, Boltdriver, anything has to open itself up to attack infantry, why should the NC be special. Now I was getting owned by them in my lighting but I didnt mind, they are AV and If u can hit a fast moving lighting from the side, more power to ya, i cant shoot those things to save my life. I am not bitchin about the camera part of it, if u can fly a missle into a moving tank, good on ya. But for the love of god the damage vrs infantry needs to be (I hate to use the word) nerfed just a bit. I dont mind the JH, even though im not noticing the supposed nerf. Hell, I dont even really mind the lasher buff, it sucks but ill manage, just need to pack med packs and grab med cert when I have the points.


Thats my rant, no flames please.

[Fenrys]

A single box of bullets is more than enough for my Reaver.

My NC char already had AV, so being given the Deci for free was very nice.

TR MAX spam seems as effective as ever (from the recieving end anyway).

The AV ammo changes make looting nme AV much more appealing.

[TheN00b]

Two things: First, to Fragmatic, may God bless you for putting Scorched_Earth down ; he needed it . Second to Dave. Dave, I think the current problem with the Pheonix is not the power of it's AI damage, which takes four shots to take down one trooper, but the sheer popularity of it. Becuase this is the latest patch, everyone has grabbed the Pheonix, and the result is a veritable hailstorm of camera-guided missiles. The only solution to this, as far as I can see, is using Reavers as they were meant to be used in large numbers, i.e. swooping in and doing some non-stop spamming, rather than turretting and making yourself the perfect target for the Pheonixes.

[gonnagetyou]

Every weapons patch is the same. People immediately go out and try all the new changes and the sheer number of people using them makes it appear unbalancing. I wouldn't worry, the experienced people will adapt and overcome and then the rest will follow. This game has a counter to everything and it only takes a little time and effort before people find it. Don't fall in love with using one combo of weapons or vehicles. Try different certs and adapt. Don't be afraid to change the way you play.

Last night I think every TR was carrying a Striker. So I countered by flying low, fast and using cover and in general was as sneaky as possible in my mossie. It kept me alive a long time once I got into the groove of it. And with the mossie carrying over 1500 rounds of ammo now I had no problems spraying bullets all over the place and getting kills.

I will say that MAX units are in trouble though. I'm not even afraid of MAXs if I'm in Agile. You can already see where infantry in Rexo with AV and HA/SA/or MA is going to be king. There's no timer for Rexo and even though MAX units may take a few with them, you won't be able to pump out enough MAX units as fast as you can Rexo. Numbers and speed still count for a lot in this game. I still enjoy playing MAXs though.

[TheN00b]

Yep, right now, MAXes are fairly screwed over. Last night, only a brave few MAXes dared peep over the walls to fire, and those were rather quickly put down.

[Fragmatic]

Originally Posted by TheN00b

Two things: First, to Fragmatic, may God bless you for putting Scorched_Earth down ; he needed it

Frag has lots of pent up anger

[MidnightDave]

ya u are right, noob I just got tired of getting 30 camera guided missles coming at this same hillside where I was tryin to shoot at a vanguard (which my stupid ass striker would lock on to unless I did a voodoo dance) snipers were getting sniped by pheonixes, it was sad.

[Fragmatic]

The thing is, the NC have always used Phoenix's as a sniper weapon, it's just a fad that will pass....

Heck, remember when the Lodestar first came out?

[TheN00b]

Indeed Frag, indeed.

[Veteran]

What if Decimator was NC's AV weapon and Phoenix became common pool with a slight damage buff?