Tank Vrs Tank Vrs Tank Vrs Tank!

[Revulsion]

Vanguard all the way!

[Zatrais]

How the hell can a TANK dodge a shell? Sure the VS tank can strafe but thats needed so the tank won't be a sitting duck to fire it's main gun.... If your gunner manages to miss a Magrider cause it was "dodging" then thats a sucky gunner, hell the Magrider is fecking huge....

Annyways, i for one think the prowler is the best tank, heaviest armor and 2 100mm cannons... When you get ingame and have to acount for lag, package loss and such, having those 2 100mm guns whit most likely the best ROF is going to be a nice thing... not to mention the option of a 2nd gunner to man the 2 chainguns =)

[Camping Carl]

Wait, why would the prowler have the heaviest armor? That's the NC philosiphy, remember? "If they can't kill you, you can kill them at your leisure."

[Zatrais]

Thats the NC MAX special ability.... it's not raw armor, it's a shield.

Reason for why the TR is assumed to have the heaviest armor: http://www.planetside-universe.com/m...php?img_id=343 Heavy armor beats solid... the article matches the official description of the Vanguard, minigun and jackhammer, it's fairly safe to assume that the description of the prowler is also the official one.

[Camping Carl]

That's pretty iffy evidence, zatrais. And heavy armor, big damage is the NC philosiphy, I can't see why the same idea shouldn't apply to their tank. Look at the vanu, their max can jump and is definitely the quickest. Their tank can hover, which is not the same thing, but it's still focuses manueverability and speed, right? And the terrans, their max focuses on high rate of fire. And their tank does the same thing, instead of one big gun, it has two small ones that fire faster, plus chainguns.

[Kalam]

I would not say that there is a BEST tank.

Well you can not just set the tank weapons equal to real world weapons, whatever size the guns are we do not know anything about their ammunition or the empires different technologies in this case.

TR and NC Tanks both have their weapons mounted on high turrets, they got main guns which seem to have a somewhat great blastradius and are also equiped with some kind of chainguns.
As you can see they have an enourmous anti-infanterie capacity.
I would see these two as allraounder tanks.

The Mag-Riders main gun on the otehr hand is centered low above the ground on the Tanks front.
It does not seem to make a great anti-infanterie weapons tho.
The turret weapon is only small and from its look it could even be a beam, but anyway will not have a great blastradius.
So I bet the Mag is specialized on destroying other vehicles.

[Zatrais]

Where did you get the idea that NC focuses on heavy armor? a MAX whit a souped up shield does not mean a side will have the heaviest raw armor points also....

And i don't think it's iffy evidence.... you really think the NC will have the biggest guns and the heaviest armor?

Edit: i've always been under the impression that the NC are between the VS light armor and fast speed, mobilit and the TR's heavy armor and slow mobility... the Vanguard is after all described as the balanced tank..

[Camping Carl]

I don't believe that the NC will have a firepower advantage if that's what you mean. I do think they'll do the most damage in a single shot yes. But I'm pretty sure that the TR tank (and the TR max too) can inflict more pain than the others can. And about the shield thing, why does it matter whether it's sheilds or armor? It means the same thing, the NC max is difficult to kill! That's what they specialize in.

[Shark]

I think one of the fundamentally important factors in tank vs tank battles is going to be the projectile speed of the main guns vs. the acceleration and top speed of the tanks. If the projectile speed is relatively low, ala BF1942, I would expect the strafing Mag-Rider to have an advantage, depending of course on the acceleration of the strafe (that is, how quickly it can change directions). If the projectile is relatively fast, then I wouldn't expect the strafing ability to help the mag-rider much against other tanks, although it could be useful against infantry or possibly even aircraft.

Unfortunately, we just don't have this information, so it's really quite difficult to make a judgement. And even if we did have it, at this point, it's all quite subject to change.

-shark

[Zatrais]

You could just as easily say that the VS is specialising in beeing difficult to kill whit their mobility...

Shields isn't the same as armor, well least to me. Why, cause armor can be repaired, shields recharge. Might be different damage to them also *shrug* thats just speculation from me tho.

NC has a pretty nice advantage whit the heavy payload weapons, fire and move away, rince and repeat. Popping around corners and such, the NC's damage is instant, it dosn't need to be sustained over time like the TR... for instance, popping around a corner and unloading all 3 jackhammer barrels will do a hell of alott more damage than doing it whit a minigun. Or a group of vanguards can focus fire on a prowler, taking it out and getting away whit its superior speed. (assuming that article is correct)

On a final note, the Vanguard is also described as a medium tank on the official site, while so far the prowler is still described as a heavy tank, thus more armor, but slower.

TR: ROF, Heaviest armor, slowest.
NC: Payload, medium armor, 2nd fastest
VS: Accuracy, Lightest armor, fastest

and thats how i think the sides are.

[Kalam]

Some time ago it was said:
TR best armor
NC best Weapons
VS best agility/speed

in detail:
TR has the best armor and high velocity weapons.
They are somewhat slow.

NC has the strongest weapons and biggest explosions.
Everything else is about average.

VS got weak Armor.
They have by far the most agile forces and they also own the best technology.

[LesserShade]

here is a reason for not liking the mag-rider.... it is fugly.

I have to believe that the three heavy tanks are pretty damn well balanced however.

[Camping Carl]

I think one of the fundamentally important factors in tank vs tank battles is going to be the projectile speed of the main guns vs. the acceleration and top speed of the tanks. If the projectile speed is relatively low, ala BF1942, I would expect the strafing Mag-Rider to have an advantage, depending of course on the acceleration of the strafe (that is, how quickly it can change directions). If the projectile is relatively fast, then I wouldn't expect the strafing ability to help the mag-rider much against other tanks, although it could be useful against infantry or possibly even aircraft.

Well, check these out:

Lightning tank firing

Lightning tank firing 2

Notice the vanu guy in front of the tank seems to be mostly in the same position, meaning these screenshots were taken one right after another. Meaning that the lightning's shells move pretty quickly. Don't know about the other tanks tho. We need movies of tanks firing.

And I don't know zatrais, we'll have to wait and see, once we get info from the beta testers.

Personally I see it just slightly different:

NC: Payload(most damage in one shot), Heaviest armor, slowest.
TR: ROF(most damage over time), medium armor, 2nd fastest
VS: Accuracy, Lightest armor, fastest

[Zatrais]

Can see a lightning fire in a GS movie, NC lightning and enforcer are chasing away something, the shots are pretty damn fast as carl pointed out.

Annyways, we'll see carl, i think you got it the wrong way... hope they release prowler info... Prowler, the name even implies thats it's a slow tank... hehe

[Shark]

Great observations Carl!...I suspect you are right then, that the projectiles, at least for the Lightning, are quite fast. Too bad for the Vanu tank then I think, at least at short range. If it's speed and acceleration are high enough though, it should be able to keep a healthy distance from other tanks. That combined with a fast, beam-like weapon on the main gun would hopefully balance things a bit. I'm sure they're having all sorts of fun trying to balance those tanks.

-shark