TTK: Like it faster, or Slower?

[Figment]

Much faster and you may as well just create a game where you have to click faster after respawn than your enemy to get to your next respawn.


Downtime and TTK length have appeal. Combat that goes so fast you can't even observe or study an enemy's behaviour to qualify what your next move should be, is just mindless and does not allow yourself to built up a relation with an enemy.

They're just fodder to you and you're just fodder to them. I've never felt like I got to know any CoD players I played against online. The same goes for World of Tanks opponents.

Completely untrue for PlanetSide, where each enemy player had their own quirks and preferences. You got to learn them and their playstyle and you got to learn and device ways to counter them that did not always dumb down to JUMPJET FASTER AIM WIN!!! It involved planning, observation, timing. Not just spamming bullets and throwing more bodies at the enemy than they could handle, which incidentally seems to be what PS2 is all about.

Zergfest 2. Now with more zerg.

[Eighm]

While I generally prefer fast TTKs, I don't really have enough info to go on from the GDC video. If spawn times will be as short as they were in the video than the TTK is fine. If they're going to be more like PS1 then I think the TTK should be increased simply because people will be doing more waiting to spawn than playing the game.

[Saintlycow]

TTK in the vid looked almost perfect

[ArmedZealot]

I think it was just right. The faster TTK compared to Planetside 1 is offset by the base redesigns to allow for more cover. A more "run and gun to cover" feel is more fitting to the war shooter that Planetside 2 aims to be.

[MrBloodworth]

Originally Posted by Saintlycow

TTK in the vid looked almost perfect

Almost, but it could be slower, and still be quite a Visceral experience.

[BlazingSun]

TTK seemed a bit to fast in my opinion. For fights of this dimension, it doesn't seem appropiate. It might have looked ok in the video for some people, but that's only because of the inaccuracy of the gun, or because of higby's playing (tap the fire button higby! ).

[Canaris]

the TTK seemed good from the gameplay footage but truthfully only beta will tell, One thing I do know I certainly wouldn't want it any faster than it is.

[BorisBlade]

The weapon accuracy is what really speeds up ttk in PS2, not lower armor or higher bullet damage. People just dont get it. If you put these more accurate weapons into PS1, the ttk time would be cut in half.

PS1 had a CoF that would bloom like crazy when you got hit or under sustained fire. The initial blooms were great and worked well, but the exaggeration when hit or when under prolonged fire was excessive and people often didnt notice it got so bad and wondered why people took so long to die when it was just that the bullets were goin all over the place. A JH will kill you in two hits even in rexo up close, go to VR training and you'll see that even a cycler or other MA weap will kill someone very fast when you land all your shots, just as fast as PS2. But in real combat your bloom goes nuts and you miss way too much.

[TekDragon]

All you have to do is compare a game of Tribes Ascend, and then a game of CoD, and you'll understand why a longer TTK is so great and leads to a much higher skilled level of gameplay and teamwork.

People who haven't played those 2 games - you just won't understand.

[EVILPIG]

Originally Posted by Figment

Much faster and you may as well just create a game where you have to click faster after respawn than your enemy to get to your next respawn.


Downtime and TTK length have appeal. Combat that goes so fast you can't even observe or study an enemy's behaviour to qualify what your next move should be, is just mindless and does not allow yourself to built up a relation with an enemy.

They're just fodder to you and you're just fodder to them. I've never felt like I got to know any CoD players I played against online. The same goes for World of Tanks opponents.

Completely untrue for PlanetSide, where each enemy player had their own quirks and preferences. You got to learn them and their playstyle and you got to learn and device ways to counter them that did not always dumb down to JUMPJET FASTER AIM WIN!!! It involved planning, observation, timing. Not just spamming bullets and throwing more bodies at the enemy than they could handle, which incidentally seems to be what PS2 is all about.

Zergfest 2. Now with more zerg.

WOW You describe combat as if it should be about the speed of turtles courting. Even in Planetside1, you'd be outflanked and overrun in said "observation and planning".

Honestly, this really blew me away. I had a harsher response, but decided to take a higher (though not much) road.

[TekDragon]

Originally Posted by EVILPIG

WOW You describe combat as if it should be about the speed of turtles courting. Even in Planetside1, you'd be outflanked and overrun in said "observation and planning".

Honestly, this really blew me away. I had a harsher response, but decided to take a higher (though not much) road.

The problem isn't him. The problem is that some of us process information at a much faster pace than others.

He and I (and everyone else except you, apparently) can recognize and process combat techniques very quickly in a battle. Some players prefer to stand and fight, some like to strafe in one direction, others go back and forth, others immediately retreat to cover, others charge forward.

For people like him and I, we can process that information within a quarter to a half second and adjust our firing strategy to match.

I'm sorry that your brain hasn't developed to that level. I imagine you're one of those players that just stands in place and sprays.

[ArmedZealot]

Originally Posted by TekDragon

The problem isn't him. The problem is that some of us process information at a much faster pace than others.

He and I, and many others, for example, can recognize and process combat techniques very quickly in a battle. Some players prefer to stand and fight, some like to strafe in one direction, others go back and forth, others immediately retreat to cover, others charge forward.

For people like him and I, we can process that information within a quarter to a half second and adjust our firing strategy to match.

I'm sorry that your brain hasn't developed to that level. I imagine you're one of those players that just stands in place and sprays.

I guess your just one of the internet master race ain't ya?

[MrBloodworth]

I don't think anyone is arguing to go back to PS1 TTK.

I think what people are requesting is a bit slower that what was shown.

[TekDragon]

Originally Posted by ArmedZealot

I guess your just one of the internet master race ain't ya?

I was being sarcastic, since the troglodyte I trolled was being pretty uppity without putting even the barest hint of effort into a rational argument.

[IronMole]

The TTK looks fine from the videos. I for one welcome the faster TTK.

Although, a lot of people seem to forget - if it wasn't for the crappy net code and warping on PS then the TTK would have been quick also...