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Old 2003-03-26, 04:30 PM   [Ignore Me] #16
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So go with Barton 2.5ghz or the regular 2.4ghz? I dont have enough money to get the 2.7ghz so that's outa the question. I have some people saying Barton is good and some saying dont get Barton...I have no idea what Barton is in the first place lol.

Also if you want to see the difference between the ATI and Tyan cards you'll have to go to www.micropro.com and go to the configure option and take a look at the video cards, it wont let me post a direct link to it.

Also the case for my cpu has a neon light inside and one of the fans has a sound activated neon light in it as well...This isnt going to effect performance or anything, taking up power, will it? Should I just go with a plain boring case? I like the way this one looks.

Thanks again for the help!
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Old 2003-03-26, 04:34 PM   [Ignore Me] #17
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get the barton. get the ati. don't worry about the neon light, its nothing more than decoration..
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Old 2003-03-26, 07:39 PM   [Ignore Me] #18
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I found this 9700 for nearly $100 cheaper than the one that I'd get built into my system if I bought it at micropro.com...is this the same as any other 9700 pro? Should I order my system with no video card and then order this one seperately?

http://www.ocsystem.com/atirad8512dd1.html

I dunno if the sight I linked looks too legitimate, maybe I'm just too skeptical...it says "This the OEM white box version, same as ATI" then says down at the bottom they arent responsible for typographical errors. Is this sketchy? SHould I just buy the 9700 with my computer and pay the extra $90?

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Old 2003-03-26, 09:29 PM   [Ignore Me] #19
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yesm that card is the same as any other radeon 9700 PRO


dont worry I bought my 9500 pro from them!!! they are very good.
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Old 2003-03-26, 10:27 PM   [Ignore Me] #20
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ehh too late, bought my system, went with the 2.5ghz barton and the 9700 retail. Cant wait for it to come!
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Old 2003-03-26, 11:36 PM   [Ignore Me] #21
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Originally posted by Trebor95
Motherboard is ok, ASUS are very good, although that model is a little dated, but as they say ... tried and tested tends to be more stable, you wont need the Corsair ram anyway asthat mother board only supports PC2700 at stock anyway
No mean to flame here, trebor, but where do you get your info? This board came out only several months ago and all reviewers hail it as THE board for athlons. and the ram issue? here's the specs:
Specifications:
CPU Supported: Socket A AMD Athlon/XP/Duron (600MHz - 2.8.GHz up to XP2800)Throughbred core CPU ready
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 SPP
FSB: 333/266/200MHz
IDE: 2x channel ATA133
RAM: 3x 184-pin DIMM Sockets(PC3200/PC2700/PC2100/PC1600 non-ECC DDR Ram)
Slots: 1x AGP (Pro/8X), 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2, 4xUSB, 1xCOM,1xLPT, and Audio Ports
Onboard Audio:Realtek� ALC650 6CH
Onboard LAN: MCP integrated NVIDIA� MAC + Realtek� 8201BL PHY

anyway, gl with yer system, man. sounds good.
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Old 2003-03-27, 05:03 AM   [Ignore Me] #22
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ehh too late, bought my system, went with the 2.5ghz barton and the 9700 retail. Cant wait for it to come!
9700? You didn't get the 9700 pro?
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Old 2003-03-27, 09:58 AM   [Ignore Me] #23
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Originally posted by Zatrais
9700? You didn't get the 9700 pro?
theres virtually no real world difference in performance between the 2 if you take the price difference into account, but then again I live in the UK and there are big �'s difference between the non-pro and pro


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Old 2003-03-27, 10:01 AM   [Ignore Me] #24
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Originally posted by BurningSpear
No mean to flame here, trebor, but where do you get your info? This board came out only several months ago and all reviewers hail it as THE board for athlons. and the ram issue? here's the specs:
Specifications:
CPU Supported: Socket A AMD Athlon/XP/Duron (600MHz - 2.8.GHz up to XP2800)Throughbred core CPU ready
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce2 SPP
FSB: 333/266/200MHz
IDE: 2x channel ATA133
RAM: 3x 184-pin DIMM Sockets(PC3200/PC2700/PC2100/PC1600 non-ECC DDR Ram)
Slots: 1x AGP (Pro/8X), 5x PCI
Ports: 2xPS2, 4xUSB, 1xCOM,1xLPT, and Audio Ports
Onboard Audio:Realtek� ALC650 6CH
Onboard LAN: MCP integrated NVIDIA� MAC + Realtek� 8201BL PHY

anyway, gl with yer system, man. sounds good.
ROFL - how much of an idiot am I? :o i totally mis read the spec of that motherboard, I thought it was a KT333 based motherboard :o i must have simply glazed over the nforce 2 bit.

Apologies, thats a really nice motherboard.
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Old 2003-03-27, 10:23 AM   [Ignore Me] #25
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theres virtually no real world difference in performance between the 2 if you take the price difference into account, but then again I live in the UK and there are big �'s difference between the non-pro and pro
Heres the difference between the pro/nonpro

275/540 non pro clockspeeds
= 16.2 gb/sec bandwidth or GF FX bandwith. You'll notice it when you crank up AA/FA.. that low bandwidth is kinda what kills the FX.

325/620 pro clockspeeds.
= 19.3 gb/sec bandwitdh.. Those 3 extra gb helps immensly whit AA/FA. Try turning your 9700 pro down to non pro levels.. you'll notice.

The AA/FA is kinda the reason to get the 9700, least to me.. The difference between the pro and non pro here wasn't much, $10..

Depends on the size of the price difference i bet.. You sure you didn't look at at AIW 9700 and not a pro? the AIW cards are insanly more costly.
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Old 2003-03-27, 11:14 AM   [Ignore Me] #26
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I did get the Pro, my bad.
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Old 2003-03-27, 11:15 AM   [Ignore Me] #27
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ahhh the price difference here is about �70 or $110 in your currency

thats for a card from sapphire
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Old 2003-03-27, 11:17 AM   [Ignore Me] #28
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Makes sense then... Sapphire mods their cards some.. or they sell some high end ones that they mod by adding heatrails and such
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Old 2003-03-27, 11:26 AM   [Ignore Me] #29
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Originally posted by Zatrais
Makes sense then... Sapphire mods their cards some.. or they sell some high end ones that they mod by adding heatrails and such
these are the same as any other Radeon, they arent modded at all, same clock speeds etc. no added heatsinks or ramsinks.

yep - looked at a few places all 9700 - 9700Pro seems to be a price gap of �70 // $110
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Old 2003-03-27, 11:27 AM   [Ignore Me] #30
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fucked up pricing there then hehe.
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